Is this legit from Delta union?
05-23-2020, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
The Delta MEC is made up of all the local councils of all the Delta pilot bases. Council 44, albeit the biggest, is only one of those councils.
That particular "update" was sent to the local C44 members.
Denny
Edit: It doesn't really matter to me but are you a pilot? Just curious.
That particular "update" was sent to the local C44 members.
Denny
Edit: It doesn't really matter to me but are you a pilot? Just curious.
05-23-2020, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by poopooplatter
Delta Union email:
ALPA C44:
Any pilot hired after December 1, 2016 should anticipate a bid result of ATL 717 B UNA (unassigned) or NQAT (not qualified, awaiting training). We expect that management will make it official in the next few weeks and announce their intention to furlough as many as 2,500 pilots beginning October 1, 2020. If there is an opportunity to secure a job that will pay your bills for the next 12 to 24 months, we advise you to take it.
ALPA C44:
Any pilot hired after December 1, 2016 should anticipate a bid result of ATL 717 B UNA (unassigned) or NQAT (not qualified, awaiting training). We expect that management will make it official in the next few weeks and announce their intention to furlough as many as 2,500 pilots beginning October 1, 2020. If there is an opportunity to secure a job that will pay your bills for the next 12 to 24 months, we advise you to take it.
05-23-2020, 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by AlphaBeta
It is pretty doom and gloom, but accurate based on the information we are getting from the company.
I’ve watched the videos. Read the memos. Listened to Bob Smelzer try and explain the process. Read between the lines.
It’s been apparent to me for at least a week that they are putting 2500 in the UNA category. No secret there. The only question is if all 2500 are let go at once or if a big group is let go and the rest will be released in inverse seniority as their seat is retrained. I’d expect 1000 or more on 10/1. Then 30-50 a month after that.
It’ll give the company time to retrain and pause, stop or reverse as needed. Bottom line and a lesson I learned post 9/11... don’t wait guys. If you are in that group find something now. Take it. Get the leave from Delta and go before the music stops. US airline wide the music stops on 10/1. It’ll be too late then to easily find a job that will be filed by a pilot.
Unless you have a specialty like engineering and have time doing that trade, no one out there cares that you were an Airbus pilot. Our flying skills do not parlay into corporate America. I’m not trying to be a jerk. It’s the truth. I was NWA. I was furloughed over 5 years. I learned that if that were to ever happen to me again I’d find something quick and jump on it before there are thousands of you trying to do the same thing.
Mil guys... go back in AD. Full time. When you are recalled you and your number will transition to mil leave and your job will be waiting for you when you are done with orders or retire.
Hope it doesn’t last long fellas.
Tail...
05-23-2020, 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Tailhookah
Unless you have a specialty like engineering and have time doing that trade, no one out there cares that you were an Airbus pilot. Our flying skills do not parlay into corporate America. I’m not trying to be a jerk. It’s the truth. I was NWA. I was furloughed over 5 years. I learned that if that were to ever happen to me again I’d find something quick and jump on it before there are thousands of you trying to do the same thing.
Tail...
The C44 doom and gloom note was a BS move IMHO. Doesn't surprise me coming from surrender central - but I digress. That little disaster of a note was one to let sit overnight before hitting transmit. Pretty sure our pilots know the score and didn't need a LEC to remind them.
I would add that just because you were hired before 1 Dec 2016, you are not safe either. We have a long, ugly financial road ahead for this country. We ALL need to be working plans A,B and C.
05-23-2020, 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
The nonpartisan CBO has projected Q3 growth of 23%. This is a staggering number.
Just passing information.
Just passing information.
Where does that put us relative to pre-COVID? Still down or close to even?
05-23-2020, 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Tailhookah
I’ve watched the videos. Read the memos. Listened to Bob Smelzer try and explain the process. Read between the lines.
It’s been apparent to me for at least a week that they are putting 2500 in the UNA category. No secret there. The only question is if all 2500 are let go at once or if a big group is let go and the rest will be released in inverse seniority as their seat is retrained. I’d expect 1000 or more on 10/1. Then 30-50 a month after that.
It’ll give the company time to retrain and pause, stop or reverse as needed. Bottom line and a lesson I learned post 9/11... don’t wait guys. If you are in that group find something now. Take it. Get the leave from Delta and go before the music stops. US airline wide the music stops on 10/1. It’ll be too late then to easily find a job that will be filed by a pilot.
Unless you have a specialty like engineering and have time doing that trade, no one out there cares that you were an Airbus pilot. Our flying skills do not parlay into corporate America. I’m not trying to be a jerk. It’s the truth. I was NWA. I was furloughed over 5 years. I learned that if that were to ever happen to me again I’d find something quick and jump on it before there are thousands of you trying to do the same thing.
Mil guys... go back in AD. Full time. When you are recalled you and your number will transition to mil leave and your job will be waiting for you when you are done with orders or retire.
Hope it doesn’t last long fellas.
Tail...
It’s been apparent to me for at least a week that they are putting 2500 in the UNA category. No secret there. The only question is if all 2500 are let go at once or if a big group is let go and the rest will be released in inverse seniority as their seat is retrained. I’d expect 1000 or more on 10/1. Then 30-50 a month after that.
It’ll give the company time to retrain and pause, stop or reverse as needed. Bottom line and a lesson I learned post 9/11... don’t wait guys. If you are in that group find something now. Take it. Get the leave from Delta and go before the music stops. US airline wide the music stops on 10/1. It’ll be too late then to easily find a job that will be filed by a pilot.
Unless you have a specialty like engineering and have time doing that trade, no one out there cares that you were an Airbus pilot. Our flying skills do not parlay into corporate America. I’m not trying to be a jerk. It’s the truth. I was NWA. I was furloughed over 5 years. I learned that if that were to ever happen to me again I’d find something quick and jump on it before there are thousands of you trying to do the same thing.
Mil guys... go back in AD. Full time. When you are recalled you and your number will transition to mil leave and your job will be waiting for you when you are done with orders or retire.
Hope it doesn’t last long fellas.
Tail...
2) Conversions will be done en-masse within the category as soon as a single senior pilot converts in.....it is not a 1:1 ratio of one senior pilot in the top = 1 junior pilot to UNA out the bottom.
05-23-2020, 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Phins2right
The C44 doom and gloom note was a BS move IMHO. Doesn't surprise me coming from surrender central - but I digress. That little disaster of a note was one to let sit overnight before hitting transmit. Pretty sure our pilots know the score and didn't need a LEC to remind them.
I would add that just because you were hired before 1 Dec 2016, you are not safe either. We have a long, ugly financial road ahead for this country. We ALL need to be working plans A,B and C.
Dude....come on! A little common sense.
05-23-2020, 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
The nonpartisan CBO has projected Q3 growth of 23%. This is a staggering number.
Just passing information.
Just passing information.
The nonpartisan CBO projects a 39.6% drop in the 2d Qtr.
unfortunately, using percentages, after a 40% drop, you’ll need a 70% gain to get back to even at previous levels.
good news nevertheless. Just not all rainbows and unicorns.
Last edited by flyboy2181; 05-23-2020 at 06:43 PM.
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