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Old 05-24-2020, 06:44 AM   #1  
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Default Early Out,Retirement,Furlough Negotiation

Apparently the polling has missed me.

RG mentioned approaching ALPA last week to present the Early Out program and that he opened dialogue in April regarding the way forward and reducing the size of the Air Line. While I don't believe much of what he says, the silence from ALPA has been deafening.

If called, I'd tell ALPA to negotiate/execute the following...

1. The company and Union would hold and not execute all letters of resignation until such time all furloughed pilots are offered recall.

2.. ALPA would immediately begin a 1% assessment to cover the COBRA for all involuntarily furloughed pilots that currently use DPMP.

3. ALPA have members vote for a 2% assessment to provide a stipend for all involuntarily furloughed pilots that are not on long term military orders for 6-12 months.

4. Delta and ALPA would offer a voluntary furlough from top down before involuntarily furloughing from the bottom up. This provision resides in nearly every other airline. This would allow a guy/gal to avoid a transcon commute to sit reserve, flying a lower paying airplane. These voluntary furloughs provide 1 for 1 job savings for junior pilots.

5. Delta provides positive space travel for displaced pilots, from their home, to work and at least unlimited S2 travel for pilots to travel home from work.

6. ALPA makes it abundantly clear that any concessions will only be achieved by court order during restructure hearings.

What would you tell DALPA when/if they call you?
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I would find this post and read it to them.
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On a technical aspect, is there a way to levy assessments post-tax and flow to furloughees so they can receive the benefit tax-free?
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Apparently the polling has missed me.



RG mentioned approaching ALPA last week to present the Early Out program and that he opened dialogue in April regarding the way forward and reducing the size of the Air Line. While I don't believe much of what he says, the silence from ALPA has been deafening.



If called, I'd tell ALPA to negotiate/execute the following...



1. The company and Union would hold and not execute all letters of resignation until such time all furloughed pilots are offered recall.



2.. ALPA would immediately begin a 1% assessment to cover the COBRA for all involuntarily furloughed pilots that currently use DPMP.



3. ALPA have members vote for a 2% assessment to provide a stipend for all involuntarily furloughed pilots that are not on long term military orders for 6-12 months.



4. Delta and ALPA would offer a voluntary furlough from top down before involuntarily furloughing from the bottom up. This provision resides in nearly every other airline. This would allow a guy/gal to avoid a transcon commute to sit reserve, flying a lower paying airplane. These voluntary furloughs provide 1 for 1 job savings for junior pilots.



5. Delta provides positive space travel for displaced pilots, from their home, to work and at least unlimited S2 travel for pilots to travel home from work.



6. ALPA makes it abundantly clear that any concessions will only be achieved by court order during restructure hearings.



What would you tell DALPA when/if they call you?
First there actually has to be polling. I'm not aware of any right now, unless it is just starting.
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#3...No. For so, so many reasons.
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Well, hmmm no one helped me out when we went BK. I lost over 1/2 my salary in two yrs had to sell my house etc. nothing from ALPA or other pilots. I sucked it up and moved on. Then to merge and loose 3 to 4 yrs seniority. I feel for pilots going thru this, but we all no when we get hired at a major things can go terribly wrong. covid 19, 9/11 and so on. I think also the early out program if it comes will be nothing better than AA. Why would anyone take that? Unless in your last yr and you dont want the airbus. Senior guys get 18 days off a month or more, Full vacation plus 270 sick a yr. full 401k. Plus occasional PD. why in your right mind would you take 50 hr early out with no guarantees! I will not vote for anything anymore thats takes money or way of life out of my or your pocket. Been here to long and suffered thru a lot to get to the end.
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Why would you only provide health coverage to furloughees currently on DPMP? Id bet most at the bottom of the seniority list using Delta insurance are on one of the HSA plans since they make far more financial sense for younger and healthier individuals.
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Why would you only provide health coverage to furloughees currently on DPMP? Id bet most at the bottom of the seniority list using Delta insurance are on one of the HSA plans since they make far more financial sense for younger and healthier individuals.
And why should I help pay for a plan that I deem "too expensive" for my own family? Like I have mentioned before....stipend for everybody on furlough......let them choose how best to spend it.....ALPA doesn't need to pick winners and losers. JMHO

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Why would you only provide health coverage to furloughees currently on DPMP? Id bet most at the bottom of the seniority list using Delta insurance are on one of the HSA plans since they make far more financial sense for younger and healthier individuals.
Yeah that one was a head scratcher for sure.
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Why would you only provide health coverage to furloughees currently on DPMP? Id bet most at the bottom of the seniority list using Delta insurance are on one of the HSA plans since they make far more financial sense for younger and healthier individuals.
Make that any of the delta sponsored health care option. Obviously I don't participate in any of them and have the terminology wrong.
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