Mou 20-02
 

Looks like a big improvement going forward. Although I think in this day of displacement anxiety, reality a TLDR would've been more appropriate than starting with a history of fatigue reporting. From the MOU

• A pilot may now refuse to extend an FDP beyond the scheduled FAR limits with no requirement to submit an FFDR, and will receive full rotation guarantee.
  • This new provision returns to the former practice at Delta and aligns not only with industry standards, but the original intent of FAR 117 – in that both the operator and pilot must agree to extend a pilot's FDP beyond FAR limits.
  • Paperwork and pay are no longer a consideration when determining one's fitness for an FDP extension.

• Pay will no longer be removed as part of the FRB determination:
  • All fatigue events that occur after a pilot reports for their rotation will be paid by the Company and will not be subject to FRB review for pay determination.
  • If a pilot is unfit for duty prior to reporting for a rotation due to fatigue, the FRB will review circumstances which led to the pilot's fatigue and make a determination if the operation contributed to the fatigue event:
    • If the FRB determines that operational factors contributed to the pilot's fatigue, the Company will pay-protect the pilot.
    • If the FRB determines that the operation was not a factor in the pilot's fatigue, the pilot's sick bank will be debited for the block time missed due to the fatigue event -- instead of the current practice in which the pilot loses pay. This sick time will be excluded for the purposes of PWA Section 14 F. 2.and Section 14 F. 3. (sick leave verification and lookback).

I think this is a huge win. I like the new language. Good job, MEC.


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Good job MEC, definitely. Huge win it is not. Way to be industry standard. This is like when Delta approved maternity leave a few years ago and it was celebrated. Should never have had to be negotiated.

And having to positively affirm an extension at the time it becomes apparent that an extension is necessary (like every other airline -- and as stated in a legal interpretation) rather than just have an assumption of extension based on signing the FDRA hours earlier.

Baby steps.

Agree. We are now standard. Yay for mediocrity. Still waiting for current MEC to wow me.

1 more example of Delta family values. And people wonder why we want a hard line negotiation position and an MEC that confronts everything. Every time Delta Is on the wrong side of something it takes years to negotiate and then we celebrate a win. SMH

Glad this is done but what was really regulation all along, we finally have. Yeah us, yeah Delta, yeah family, yeah negotiating committee, yeah everybody.:rolleyes:

Huge improvement and a lot of hard work.

Thanks to all.

Glad to see this come to Delta finally. Now go get the add pay to extend, 2.5hrs pay for first 30 min and then 5 hrs for the next 1:30hr. Unfortunately I think that will be untenable until Contract 2028 I guess.

United had "extend pay"....the union fought it and got it removed. Didn't want people incentivized to extend.....

I actually totally agree with this. As stupid as our sick leave contest at the end of the year.

x2 on the sick leave race. Unbelievable. Even more so is someone in management thought it was a good enough idea to begin with and then run with it.

This MOU sounds like a good thing, good job by the MEC on this.

My only criticism is that this and recent MEC memos/briefs just feel like a lot of white noise. I’m glad they reached an agreement on this MOU, but it still feels like they haven’t accomplished much related to the elephant in the room (leaves, early outs, furloughs etc). Completing this MOU now just feels more like a distraction from the bigger issues at hand. I’m still waiting for news/ progress on the bigger issues at hand (early outs, furloughs etc).

Everything you mention requires the company to come into the room and talk. A buddy sent a copy of what they are saying the company is going to put out for ERP’s. If true it’s almost like they are looking for a fight.

It means the Kompany and ALPA are actually communicating in some fashion.

edit: crap, sorry just saw 88FO's reply, stupid 240 sec timer

AA guy here I have to ask what is the sick leave race?

I think they are referring to the fact that our sick leave bank resets every year in April/May (can't ever remember exactly). So, surprise surprise! sick leave use spikes just before it resets. And then management acts all butthurt and surprised. And repeat. Every year.

Isn't there some bit where the categories with the lowest sick time usage get an extra vacation day or something?

It could also be there is a process where the categories with low sick leave usage (under some percentage) get extra vacation days for the next year. Usually the categories that get those are the new hire categories (717 , 220 etc) where the pilots are young and don't get sick as much.

This is what I was referring to.

Gotcha thanks. We just get the mission hackers who have 1000 hours of sick time and show up hacking saying it’s only allergies in January. The one good thing to come from COVID is not having to don the respiratory infection incubator above FL250 anymore.

Ah yes...
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Sad we had to use any resources to undo the work, AGAIN, of the ADG. When have you been “wowed” previously?

I realize it takes two, and I’m not suggesting that DALPA’s job will be easy. However it is the job they ran for and were elected to do.