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Old 06-26-2020, 04:41 PM
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Tunes you are spot on!
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Old 06-26-2020, 04:42 PM
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The bid was a worst-case scenario, not a mistake at all.
Yeah, I should clarify that going through with all of it would be a mistake. Kinda like "no bypasses." Think it was an attempt at leverage.
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Old 06-26-2020, 04:43 PM
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Per the email JL sent out looks like 2558 hostages will be taken to try and extract concessions from the pilot group. As one of those I hope we tell them to pound sand. A no furlough clause didn't help last time and it won't help this time.
I would review the history of the last time we furloughed. Furloughs were not prevented but the clause definitely helped a large number of pilots.
In addition better thought out no furlough provisions almost certainly prevented any furloughs in 2009. I would call that helping.
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Old 06-26-2020, 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by m3113n1a1 View Post
Furloughing us is one thing, but using us to get concessions is pretty hostage-y!!
Somewhat agree but the other take would be that it's a legitmate way for us to mitigate them. Probably a fools errand in my mind though.....
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Old 06-26-2020, 04:46 PM
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What date of hire does that number go up to?
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Old 06-26-2020, 04:46 PM
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If the company truly needed to save money there have been plenty of voluntary measures available, not to mention other ones that could be taken completely voluntary.
They already admitted it was a mistake to not offer the EO sooner. Now that they have, I don't get your argument.
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Old 06-26-2020, 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by ERAUAV8TR View Post
What date of hire does that number go up to?
Dec 05, 2016
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Old 06-26-2020, 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post
I would review the history of the last time we furloughed. Furloughs were not prevented but the clause definitely helped a large number of pilots.

In addition better thought out no furlough provisions almost certainly prevented any furloughs in 2009. I would call that helping.


Can you elaborate for us lacking the history?


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Old 06-26-2020, 04:52 PM
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First time in my life I’ve seen actual airline compliance with the WARN Act-I’d imagine other work groups are about to get furlough notices in large numbers as well. I thought it was about as enforceable as the Logan Act. Good for Delta. (No sarcasm at all)

Also, no concessions. Furloughs are an ugly reality in this business...at least everyone has had months to prepare.

Concessions are a sucker’s bet anyway.
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Old 06-26-2020, 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by LumberJack View Post
They already admitted it was a mistake to not offer the EO sooner.
When did they do that?
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