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Old 06-29-2020, 08:22 PM   #281  
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If they go through with this furlough will this be the largest number/ percentage of the seniority list that Delta has furloughed?

We donít even have a number to discuss yet.
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Iím genuinely curious... whenever I turn on Fox I see ďF15 crash in Nevada during training exerciseĒ. Is it really necessary to waste tax payers money flying around each month? Why not do your training sorties in a sim?!
Yo. I live in Vegas and never see accidents on the news, not sure youíre actually watching the local news.
BTW, was Rayjay blocked? It was kinda fun reading his fake posts.

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Yo. I live in Vegas and never see accidents on the news, not sure youíre actually watching the local news.
BTW, was Rayjay blocked? It was kinda fun reading his fake posts.
Not just blocked. Ban hammer
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Old 06-30-2020, 03:40 AM   #284  
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We donít even have a number to discuss yet.
I'm just going off the number that is the title of this thread 2558
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Old 06-30-2020, 05:35 AM   #285  
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I'm just going off the number that is the title of this thread 2558
If they do indeed furlough 2558 pilots, yes, that will be the biggest number Delta ever furloughed. Itís in the neighborhood of 20% of total pilots. If we do furlough though, I donít see us getting anywhere close to that number.
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If they do indeed furlough 2558 pilots, yes, that will be the biggest number Delta ever furloughed. Itís in the neighborhood of 20% of total pilots. If we do furlough though, I donít see us getting anywhere close to that number.
Absent contractual relief such as decreasing ALV and TLV, I think we'll furlough all 2,558 of those pilots. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't see how the company can profitably pay them to sit around and do nothing. I haven't touched an airplane in 3 and a half months. I don't have any secret PBS strategies. We've reduced our flying that much.
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Absent contractual relief such as decreasing ALV and TLV, I think we'll furlough all 2,558 of those pilots. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't see how the company can profitably pay them to sit around and do nothing. I haven't touched an airplane in 3 and a half months. I don't have any secret PBS strategies. We've reduced our flying that much.
Ditto. Personally donít think an ALV reduction will lead to anything but paycuts for those still here and responsible for call outs and the moral hazard of 2500 pilots sitting around on a UNA collecting paychecks while working elsewhere.

Just my sense though. It ultimately numbers. If the union goes this direction, theyíll have to publish some real data.
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Absent contractual relief such as decreasing ALV and TLV, I think we'll furlough all 2,558 of those pilots. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't see how the company can profitably pay them to sit around and do nothing. I haven't touched an airplane in 3 and a half months. I don't have any secret PBS strategies. We've reduced our flying that much.
I understand this is easy for me to say because I am not in the 2558. But I think that is way way more than will be furloughed. They put up as huge a number as possible to shock us into concessions.

I think this bid will have to be walked back, they just want to try and get concessions before they do.
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This is going to sound crazy, I know. But what if, hypothetically speaking, rather than an across the board ALV/TLV cut, the company would off these lines that were below the ALV. Maybe we'd just call them incentivized special lines or something like that. Or maybe, stick with me here, a paid LOA for people to go away for 6/12/18/24 months with say, a few month call back obligation.
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I understand this is easy for me to say because I am not in the 2558. But I think that is way way more than will be furloughed. They put up as huge a number as possible to shock us into concessions.

I think this bid will have to be walked back, they just want to try and get concessions before they do.
I also think this bid will be greatly altered by clean ups and subsequent bids. That also does not preclude future displacement bids. We are still in the first quarter of this COVID game - way too early to see how it turns out.

If the virus weakens and we get a quick vaccine and treatments it could be very short lived.

If we get a nasty second wave or the first wave really never ends airlines may be in big trouble. The media with their sensationalistic reporting are not helping. How the public perceives COVID is probably just as important as the reality of COVID.

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