Gen6

As we wait for the official VEOP LOA and then a possible furlough mitigation LOA, how about an LOA that respects seniority on MD's from the MOAD? Why isn't our union asking that conversions for pay purposes go in systen wide seniority order? I understand that training availability will happen at different times based on sim availability. The pay conversion could be addressed similar to how VD's are. If there is 2000 guys junior to you your pay converts when the 2001st guy goes to training. There is no significant additional cost to the company so I can't imagine much push back from them. I am waiting to hear from the union how guys junior to other guys might not convert until May 2021 while others are already converted. They supposedly represent us all. They defended the MB proposal on fairness. Where are they now? If they hide behind the contract and say nothing can be done in the face of a significant inequity what good are they? Why isn't seniority respected or fought for in this case? How can we ever trust them? Since they say nothing its hard to say. Talk to your reps.

CBreezy

They are honoring seniority. If you don't choose train first, you indicate you want to stay on your equipment until the end. That's what your seniority bought. You can't complain about seniority abrogation when you were the one who messed up. Aside from that, your seniority isn't absolute. You don't get to do everything before every junior guy. The contract outlines how seniority is honored and in a MD it is FROM equipment. Like thegthe who would complain about a junior guy getting a WS when he had a GS in. Choices bro

Gen6

Two people both displaced to same equipment from different equipment. Neither flying. One guy in training already. Other guy who is junior May of next year. Or two guys displaced from same equipment (1 is a Capt and other an FO) to same new equipment and same seat. The FO is junior to the Capt. Capt converts first. You are going to argue that is by choice?

CBreezy

It's by category departing. FO/CA are not same category. Read your contract.

2StgTurbine

The time to think about this was when this PWA was a TA. There are a lot of weak areas in our PWA that people only notice when they experience them.

tunes

this is like the argument "but she won the popular vote". The rules are known before hand. this shouldn't be a surprise.

Gen6

No argument with these things get overlooked. I also understand the contract. Hence the need for an LOA. The role of the union should always be to serve its membership. If your defense is "the contract" then dump the VEOP and any discussions of SIL'S, ALV reductions, furlough mitigation, etc.

sailingfun

That kind of change would be expensive for the company long term. What are you willing to give up for it because the company is going to demand equal value some where else.

Gen6

The cost would be minimal. No change to training schedule or the amount of people converting each month. Net hourly pay by the company would change minimally if at all since these are in effect swaps.

newKnow

In your example, if they did it your way, wouldn’t the senior FO (in his category) get displaced/converted before more junior FO’s (in their category)?