Originally Posted by cornbeef007

Pretty sure I don’t want C44 to think my council (C54) is smart. Honestly, I want as many councils to be stupid in C44s eyes.

Originally Posted by GivemeVSP

Fortunately the old guard like him and sailingFUD are retiring quickly and their mindset is hopefully not replaced!

Originally Posted by Corndog

It seems like SILs are great for those senior enough to hold them. Sit home or double dip. Who wouldn't want to do this? What about everyone else on the list who can't hold them; who now has to work harder to carry the weight, who otherwise could have had a couple extra days off on reserve maybe, or more days off on a 60-65 hr line? Of course it would vary in category quite a bit.


Obviously those not furloughed will be happy to be working and any solution is better than letting guys get furloughed. But it doesn't seem like the fairest way to do it to me either. I'm wrong a lot and I'm still making up my mind. But all the emotional calling out and character attacks definitely doesn't sway me, it does the opposite.

ALV reduction does seem like a much better deal for the company, but I really don't know how far that flexibility and savings would go toward recovery, nor do I necessarily trust them to be honest about their motives in any case. It would be great to see a third party break down the cost/benefit of the disparate sils across fleets and the training that goes with it. If half of a wide body fleet is out on SIL I could see that as a cost and flexibility problem when its time to adjust or even fine-tune but I really have no idea and would love to see numbers I trusted.


I'm hopeful the NC has a more creative solution in mind that I'm not smart enough to see. Definitely a possibility, they did great with the VEOP.