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Old 08-24-2020, 12:00 PM
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called it last week, i knew JL would be back with a "if ALPA doesnt give us an ALV reduction we will furlough". This is managements playbook. Hold the line. They have done absolutely nothing to explore voluntary measures like they have constantly claimed they would.

If anyone is ready to accept concessions, read this post over and over until you come to your senses.
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Old 08-24-2020, 12:02 PM
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If they’re going to furlough 1,941 on October 1, we can assume they’ll be parking the -220 until they get all the replacements trained?
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Old 08-24-2020, 12:07 PM
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If they’re going to furlough 1,941 on October 1, we can assume they’ll be parking the -220 until they get all the replacements trained?
Probably - they have lots of other airplanes that are staffed that can fly those routes.
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Old 08-24-2020, 12:15 PM
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The voluntary measures currently on the table just don’t move the needle enough. It’s with this reality that we unfortunately will move forward to furlough 1,941 pilots in October. Letters to pilots hired on or after July 17, 2017, will be sent out later this week.
Basically VEOP shows SLIs work, do some more, and we'll keep everyone.
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Old 08-24-2020, 12:20 PM
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called it last week, i knew JL would be back with a "if ALPA doesnt give us an ALV reduction we will furlough". This is managements playbook. Hold the line. They have done absolutely nothing to explore voluntary measures like they have constantly claimed they would.
Say it louder for people in the back!
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Old 08-24-2020, 01:10 PM
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Folks, let's all remember that 1941 of US, our brothers and sisters, just got massively bad news today. Even if you knew it was likely coming, it's still hard news for a family to take.
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Old 08-24-2020, 01:25 PM
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Folks, let's all remember that 1941 of US, our brothers and sisters, just got massively bad news today. Even if you knew it was likely coming, it's still hard news for a family to take.
One possible point of light for the 1941, is if some LOA gets signed this week, regardless of how favorable it is to either side, this furlough number will go lower again. I think we all suspect the company doesn’t really want to furlough, perhaps they are just trying to gain the best terms possible before they show their cards.
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Old 08-24-2020, 01:29 PM
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Did management already offer the 60/60 thing to the non cons?
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Old 08-24-2020, 01:38 PM
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Did management already offer the 60/60 thing to the non cons?
As I understand it, yes. I thought the last MEC comm hinted at a SIL-like solution, but we’ll see after the meeting this week. More shoes to drop, hopefully that will be good for us all.
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For anyone who cares, by the numbers management threw out last month, Delta currently has enough cash on hand to operate for 17 months. Being generous, keeping those 1941 pilots on UNA status costs roughly $1M a day. The difference between furloughing and not is about 20 days.

This does not include any sort of revenue increase or voluntary cost saving measures that could otherwise be implemented.

Let's be clear, Delta does not have to furlough. If they truly believed in their own values, they would have tried other measures before jumping straight to the nuclear option, or simply bit the bullet and tried keeping us on staff until things really get dire, working towards a future where things never get that far.

I, more than anything, am disappointed to have my cynicism confirmed.
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