My bad. Sarcasm filter from the “...” went down while I was typing. Apologies.

#240sux

lol. No worries!

Imagine a world with an LOA that allows the company to offer SILS of 1, 3, 6, 9, or 12 month duration for bid, in targeted categories. They offer them in the WB fleets where they’ve intimated the “targeted ALV reduction” would go, and possibly in fleets where they want to hold pilots without retraining. They’re worried about the take rate in those targeted fleets, but they ignore the fact that each month they hand out a bunch of short calls to reserves, they’ll have more takers the following month (and that is without the natural effect of pilots bidding for SILs just to have no obligation to the company). The LOA might even stipulate 45 day notice for CQ for SIL taking pilots, for additional pay for travel/CQ days, just to manage training for takers. While not for everyone, does anyone not think they could get pretty close to the targeted ALV reduction results?

The company gets what it wants: reduced costs in targeted categories and reduced training churn, plus the gratuitous evil chuckle that goes with handing out extraneous short calls each month. The union gets the satisfaction of voluntary measures and protects jobs.

Obviously it can’t work because it won’t tickle the sadist erogenous zones of RG and his hapless JL puppet, therefore it will never happen.

Who cares about the 10%. There has always been people, for whatever reason, who have always sided w/ management. No matter what the circumstances. The stats on this one are amazing. While 78% felt ALPA was doing everything correctly and that ALPA had 78% support it shows an amazing backing of NO ALV reductions, even for furlough protection.

I think this sends a very strong message to Delta. Stop trying to ask for ALV reductions. We all know that is jut a veiled pay cut. And that there are many voluntary programs to help mitigate further costs that Delta has ignored, since March! So we’ve spoken. No ALV cuts for anything. I’m sure there are many UNA’s who are part of the 90% that are against ALV cuts for NO furloughs. We’ve all seen it before. Some affected more than others in the last black swan event.

I’d say the Delta Air Lines Pilots are WOKE.

I know. It's almost like flight ops management has no memory of the past. Where were these guys during the Pan/Am debacle, Leadership 7.5, 9/11, or the bankruptcy?

I know. Either not in flight ops, or at a regional, or not here at all.

Exactly. Looking back all I can say is the poor move by JL to not offer Sils and how callously and quickly after the LOA was signed will go down as one of the biggest corporate blunders in Delta’s modern history. Too late now to walk any of that back. The stats paint a very clear picture of just where we stand.

Good job executives. You all get an F in labor management.

They could’ve dealt with all of this so differently. It’s apparently clear. You’ve all not learned a damn thing and continue to show how disconnected you all are.

How about a new pin or lanyard Alpa? DALPA Pilots #Woke

I agree completely. They haven’t even tried any voluntary measures. If they offered SIL’s of various lengths in each overstaffed catagory, and there weren’t enough takers to move the needle, I would understand, and be more receptive to an ALV reduction, but they haven’t even made an effort, so neither will I.

If they want to be positioned for a quick recovery, whenever that does happen, we need to have an abundance of pilots trained and ready to go in each catagory. If we cut to the bone, we will weather the storm better financially, but we will be scrambling for 2+ years to get caught up again, and miss out on a ton of revenue over those years. I’m still confident that at some point in the not too distant future...6 months to 2 years, where people will decide they’re no longer afraid of Covid, whether we achieve herd immunity or a safe, reliable vaccine becomes readily available, I have a feeling everyone is going to decide it’s time to travel again at about the same time, and we will immediately be woefully behind and be stuck playing catch up for years to come.

The best option to get through this difficult time, in my opinion, is voluntary SIL’s and if that’s not enough, an ALV reduction, while keeping each catagory overstaffed in the short term, to be ready to stand up our schedule quickly. I think this is what management wants too, but they’re using FUD to get more out of our contract before sharing their plan with us.

The more I try to understand what's happening the more my head hurts. You don't suppose management would deliberately lose out on possible revenue and employee trust, just to prove a point?

Apparently they would...

“Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead.”

Hopefully it’s works out as well as it did for Admiral Farragut