Originally Posted by UGBSM (Post 3118452)

Here is how I spent my first 7 years at Delta, starting in 1991:
2 years 727 flight engineer, probation/new hire pay.
2 1/2 years furloughed.
2 1/2 years 727 engineer B scale

16 years into my career and after Delta emerges from bankruptcy (wiping out my pension accrual), I finally get to start saving for retirement, which is five years from now. A lower ALV isn't going to help me with that.

I would loved to have spent that 7 years flying an RJ, even on reserve. But no.... instead during my furlough there was no lowering of the 75 hour cap (similar to ALV), everybody green slipped all they wanted, and worst of all captains that were retiring at 60 simply down bid to my FE seat keeping me out. They were called ROPEs (retired old pilot engineers). Also no furlough non-rev or jumpseat privilages back then. I did have paid COBRA from my fellow pilots, thank you.

I'm not whining or complaining. This career has its ups and downs and I've learned that somebody always has had it better than me and somebody always has had it worse. Often you are simply dealt the hand that you play. No matter what happens, don't be bitter or resentful. That will eat you up. Just be grateful for what you do have, not unhappy at what you don't have.

Being furloughed is a lot of stress. Try to make the best of it. Your best years are still ahead of you, God willing.

Originally Posted by Tailhookah (Post 3118548)

Good post. Thanks for the backup. It seems there’s not enough old school on this board sometimes and I get beat up by the millennials.
The millennials don’t want to hear about the past but rather want to complain why they didn’t get... or why they are entitled to...

Originally Posted by Iceberg (Post 3118814)

Get a grip dude. You whine about the raw deal you get all the time. You were knee deep in what you were owed last year during retirement negotiations. I’m sorry you couldn’t handle my story that didn’t match your view of how us “entitled millennials” have had such a rosy career.

#240(this actually is a whine, just so it’s clear)

Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 3118805)

Can anyone provide a cliffs note history, what was this B scale 727 FE in the mid 90s?

Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 3118805)

Can anyone provide a cliffs note history, what was this B scale 727 FE in the mid 90s?

Originally Posted by m3113n1a1 (Post 3118828)

Yep. Tailhookah is constantly whining about how bad he's had it. Major chip on his shoulder. Probably best to just ignore guys like him honestly.

Originally Posted by BobZ (Post 3118833)

Haha. When you find out you are older than your FOs parents.....you know you are OLD!

FE....flight engineer

B- scale. Cost saving contract pay scale that was abt 50% of historic. Instead of pilots on property taking a pay cut it was imposed on those not hired yet. Ranged from 5 years to as long as 17 years. (Or Capt upgrade at AA)

Probation......at delta 1 year salary position. $1800/ month. .

Also no pass travel 1st 6 months.

And no JS. Ever.

No 401k.

Originally Posted by captkdobbs (Post 3118908)

Was the pay for 'Shuttle' or 'Song' different? I remember seeing all the various paint schemes and hearing about 'shuttle flying' and I wasn't sure.

Originally Posted by BobZ (Post 3118909)

shuttle came wth panam assets. Song even later. Shuttle new hires were paid IOW the pwa. No carve out.

Originally Posted by Gone Flying (Post 3118911)

express was lower though right? Was express just based out of MCO or were there other bases