Delta declines CARES act Money
09-14-2020, 10:38 AM
#21
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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
Yes, I think I understand this much. But it will not affect the order of the furloughs , I think we can all agree. So, wouldn't it be better to stay UNA and get paid for no obligation....IOW isn't this maybe a better deal? (obviously I'm not an UNA,.. just trying to understand)
Of course if you could overfly above the ALV plus 15 it might economically harm the more senior UNA pilot
Of course if you could overfly above the ALV plus 15 it might economically harm the more senior UNA pilot
If one were to stay a UNAcorn, yes it would be a better deal to sit at home and get paid until they figure out a way to put you into a sim. However in reality, no one from this AE is going to convert prior to 1 Oct, so the point is moo, we all just get furloughed on 1 Oct.
09-14-2020, 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by TED74
... and they also couldn't send an email explaining the situation to avoid confusion. Because... family.
How difficult is it to explain that, even though you see a reinstatement, if you are part of the 1,941 you are not "saved."
Same spear to ALPA. Did the union review the AE? I kind of expect the company to just ... well, just run it and publish it, while I expect the union to do some interpretation.
Both the company and union failed the "reinstated" 1,941 in my opinion.
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09-14-2020, 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by TED74
... and they also couldn't send an email explaining the situation to avoid confusion. Because... family.
09-14-2020, 10:55 AM
#24
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As a UNA that has been saved for now (not part of the 1941), I was confused when after the AE results were posted, I was not on the list. Initially there was no explanation as to why those that were slated to be furloughed were awarded reinstatement and I was not reinstated or awarded a new position. I remain UNA. My bid was in and I checked the box. Nonetheless, I was awarded nothing. That was very confusing to say the least. My day supposedly comes in OCT/NOV. A quick heads up prior to the publishing the results would have been helpful.
09-14-2020, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by All 5 Stages
This.
How difficult is it to explain that, even though you see a reinstatement, if you are part of the 1,941 you are not "saved."
Same spear to ALPA. Did the union review the AE? I kind of expect the company to just ... well, just run it and publish it, while I expect the union to do some interpretation.
Both the company and union failed the "reinstated" 1,941 in my opinion.
A5S
How difficult is it to explain that, even though you see a reinstatement, if you are part of the 1,941 you are not "saved."
Same spear to ALPA. Did the union review the AE? I kind of expect the company to just ... well, just run it and publish it, while I expect the union to do some interpretation.
Both the company and union failed the "reinstated" 1,941 in my opinion.
A5S
09-14-2020, 10:57 AM
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Sorry if this is slightly off topic, but I have been trying to find out what are the latest booking projections for the next 12 months.
Last town hall I watched was several weeks ago and indicated that the company was hoping for 50% of pre covid bookings by XMAS 2020 and between 60 and 80% for summer 2021.
is that still true?
Last town hall I watched was several weeks ago and indicated that the company was hoping for 50% of pre covid bookings by XMAS 2020 and between 60 and 80% for summer 2021.
is that still true?
09-14-2020, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
While you all are clearing things up for me.....I'm not quite understanding the UNA's being miffed about the latest bid. Wouldn't it be advantageous to stay UNA....have no obligation and still get paid? At least for a large majority of the UNA pilots. Might hinder getting a base and force you to commute on a subsequent bid, is that the rub? Also aren't UNA's getting ALV or are they only getting 50 hrs at lowest paying eqpt?
It certainly won't affect the order of furloughs since that will be straight inverse seniority(whether you hold a BES or are UNA....so that's not it
It certainly won't affect the order of furloughs since that will be straight inverse seniority(whether you hold a BES or are UNA....so that's not it
09-14-2020, 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by tennisguru
I agree, however I also don't understand why any of the 1941 wouldn't just go ahead and put in an AE/reinstatement bid anyways. Heck, even if you just checked the reinstatement box and did nothing else that's still better than nothing. Yes, the company said we'd be excluded, but they can't lock you out of AE bidding in icrew and given the extreme unpredictability of the company over the past 6 months to me it just made sense to have something sitting there just in case. Took all of 3 minutes of my life to do.
If I am a dope I guess I must own it.
09-14-2020, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by block30
I leave a bid in both my I crew AE and displacement bid ....or at least I thought I did. I went back and checked and my preferences were blank and the saw the word "deleted". Wish I had the screen shot. When the company runs bids do they purge the system? I swear that is the first Ive seen that... but I havent been here super long nor am I an expert.
If I am a dope I guess I must own it.
If I am a dope I guess I must own it.
09-14-2020, 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Iceberg
I believe bids are deleted when you are awarded something new. In my case, my bid was deleted after I was “awarded” UNA.
Thank you for your reply!
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