Sept 15th Townhall
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Sept 15th Townhall
Notes:
-VEOP cost $900M (Easily paid for by the Cares 1 PPP)
-MEC has supposedly agreed to some small concessions in exchange for a few jobs saved and small “QOL” items.
-There is a recent proposal that supposedly is receiving some “positive conversions” with the negotiating committee that would mitigate all furloughs.
-777 is gone. There is no flying on it in November.
-We can not break even by years end if revenue does not pick up.
-JL’s streak of under quoting revenue/loads is on-going. EB said we are 30% at Noon. JL says it’s at 20% at 4pm. Follows a consistent pattern going back months.
On the Furlough elimination, in order to save almost 2,000 jobs for 2+ years, you are talking about a concession that would be wide, fairly deep, and lengthy. I suppose more to come with that. I don’t think it’s reasonable to assume a program like that would be “voluntary”.
-VEOP cost $900M (Easily paid for by the Cares 1 PPP)
-MEC has supposedly agreed to some small concessions in exchange for a few jobs saved and small “QOL” items.
-There is a recent proposal that supposedly is receiving some “positive conversions” with the negotiating committee that would mitigate all furloughs.
-777 is gone. There is no flying on it in November.
-We can not break even by years end if revenue does not pick up.
-JL’s streak of under quoting revenue/loads is on-going. EB said we are 30% at Noon. JL says it’s at 20% at 4pm. Follows a consistent pattern going back months.
On the Furlough elimination, in order to save almost 2,000 jobs for 2+ years, you are talking about a concession that would be wide, fairly deep, and lengthy. I suppose more to come with that. I don’t think it’s reasonable to assume a program like that would be “voluntary”.
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Notes:
-VEOP cost $900M (Easily paid for by the Cares 1 PPP)
-MEC has supposedly agreed to some small concessions in exchange for a few jobs saved and small “QOL” items.
-There is a recent proposal that supposedly is receiving some “positive conversions” with the negotiating committee that would mitigate all furloughs.
-777 is gone. There is no flying on it in November.
-We can not break even by years end if revenue does not pick up.
-JL’s streak of under quoting revenue/loads is on-going. EB said we are 30% at Noon. JL says it’s at 20% at 4pm. Follows a consistent pattern going back months.
On the Furlough elimination, in order to save almost 2,000 jobs for 2+ years, you are talking about a concession that would be wide, fairly deep, and lengthy. I suppose more to come with that. I don’t think it’s reasonable to assume a program like that would be “voluntary”.
-VEOP cost $900M (Easily paid for by the Cares 1 PPP)
-MEC has supposedly agreed to some small concessions in exchange for a few jobs saved and small “QOL” items.
-There is a recent proposal that supposedly is receiving some “positive conversions” with the negotiating committee that would mitigate all furloughs.
-777 is gone. There is no flying on it in November.
-We can not break even by years end if revenue does not pick up.
-JL’s streak of under quoting revenue/loads is on-going. EB said we are 30% at Noon. JL says it’s at 20% at 4pm. Follows a consistent pattern going back months.
On the Furlough elimination, in order to save almost 2,000 jobs for 2+ years, you are talking about a concession that would be wide, fairly deep, and lengthy. I suppose more to come with that. I don’t think it’s reasonable to assume a program like that would be “voluntary”.
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Why should furloughs be stopped by getting concessions from the entire pilot group? I was furloughed in the past and that was not an option for me or others. I don't want any pilots furloughed, but I am not willing to give up concessions to stop it. Almost my entire career at Delta has been concessions. B scale at Express, furloughs, contract gutted during bankruptcy, pension gone, and continual contract benefit erosion since I was hired.
#6
What gets me is that there are a few UNA/1941 guys who are not willing to give any temporary reductions to save jobs. I'm confused with those individuals.
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You can always write a check.
Last edited by boog123; 09-15-2020 at 01:29 PM. Reason: Because
#8
Me too. Said nothing was agreed on. Period dot.
#9
I like the idea of working less hours as long as it doesn't involve working for less $ per hour. There is a big difference between a rate cut and an ALV cut.
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Furthermore, for those that weren’t here prior to the era of perpetual profitability, one only need to look at the shifting goalposts, messaging mendacity, and say versus do gap to get a pretty strong feel that the company’s pursuit of pilot concessions has far less to do with company survival and far more to do with resetting relative bargaining and leverage positions vis-à-vis the pilot group. It is abundantly clear that reneging on the SIL for April rebid deal, along with stubborn refusal to even attempt other truly voluntary cost savings measures, while simultaneously taking as many pilot hostages as possible, 2558 at first, then 1941, the company isn’t serious about actual voluntary cost savings. I would add that the most striking example of the company’s drive to punish pilots in spite of data clearly denying the “need” for such steps was the use of FM to stiff the most senior furloughed pilots from a month of furlough pay, saving the company less than two tenths of a percent of the money they then raised off the frequent flyer program.
No, this crisis of job losses isn’t on the shoulders of greedy pilots, it is at the feet of a managerial group that doesn’t respect or understand the pilot group and its keystone position in the short and long-term health of the brand in the eyes of our customers.
Last edited by Funk; 09-15-2020 at 01:46 PM.
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