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Old 09-15-2020, 12:25 PM   #1  
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-VEOP cost $900M (Easily paid for by the Cares 1 PPP)
-MEC has supposedly agreed to some small concessions in exchange for a few jobs saved and small “QOL” items.
-There is a recent proposal that supposedly is receiving some “positive conversions” with the negotiating committee that would mitigate all furloughs.
-777 is gone. There is no flying on it in November.
-We can not break even by years end if revenue does not pick up.
-JL’s streak of under quoting revenue/loads is on-going. EB said we are 30% at Noon. JL says it’s at 20% at 4pm. Follows a consistent pattern going back months.


On the Furlough elimination, in order to save almost 2,000 jobs for 2+ years, you are talking about a concession that would be wide, fairly deep, and lengthy. I suppose more to come with that. I don’t think it’s reasonable to assume a program like that would be “voluntary”.
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Appreciate the summary very much.


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-VEOP cost $900M (Easily paid for by the Cares 1 PPP)
-MEC has supposedly agreed to some small concessions in exchange for a few jobs saved and small “QOL” items.
-There is a recent proposal that supposedly is receiving some “positive conversions” with the negotiating committee that would mitigate all furloughs.
-777 is gone. There is no flying on it in November.
-We can not break even by years end if revenue does not pick up.
-JL’s streak of under quoting revenue/loads is on-going. EB said we are 30% at Noon. JL says it’s at 20% at 4pm. Follows a consistent pattern going back months.


On the Furlough elimination, in order to save almost 2,000 jobs for 2+ years, you are talking about a concession that would be wide, fairly deep, and lengthy. I suppose more to come with that. I don’t think it’s reasonable to assume a program like that would be “voluntary”.
I just spoke with my LEC earlier today, asked them specifically about whats going on with the NC and kompany vis-a-vis furlough mitigation. I was told, nothing, still talking. I find this odd that it is mentioned in a townhall. More negotiating in public?
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Why should furloughs be stopped by getting concessions from the entire pilot group? I was furloughed in the past and that was not an option for me or others. I don't want any pilots furloughed, but I am not willing to give up concessions to stop it. Almost my entire career at Delta has been concessions. B scale at Express, furloughs, contract gutted during bankruptcy, pension gone, and continual contract benefit erosion since I was hired.
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I was surprised that 90% of the pilot group wasn't willing to make a small temporary adjustment to the ALV in exchange for no furloughs. I'm part of the 10% that would, and I am not a UNA pilot.
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I was surprised that 90% of the pilot group wasn't willing to make a small temporary adjustment to the ALV in exchange for no furloughs. I'm part of the 10% that would, and I am not a UNA pilot.
I'm honestly not surprised at all. Most of the line pilots I know have been furloughed and/or been bent-over from the past. So I guess they've learned not to give in to concessions and still get furloughed.

What gets me is that there are a few UNA/1941 guys who are not willing to give any temporary reductions to save jobs. I'm confused with those individuals.
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I was surprised that 90% of the pilot group wasn't willing to make a small temporary adjustment to the ALV in exchange for no furloughs. I'm part of the 10% that would, and I am not a UNA pilot.
You can always write a check.

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I just spoke with my LEC earlier today, asked them specifically about whats going on with the NC and kompany vis-a-vis furlough mitigation. I was told, nothing, still talking. I find this odd that it is mentioned in a townhall. More negotiating in public?
Me too. Said nothing was agreed on. Period dot.
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I was surprised that 90% of the pilot group wasn't willing to make a small temporary adjustment to the ALV in exchange for no furloughs. I'm part of the 10% that would, and I am not a UNA pilot.
Most of the 90% were put off by the company's original proposal of targeted ALV cuts. If it were originally proposed across the board, it may have gotten traction. The survey results are a reflection of two decades of lies, not our interest in flying lower ALVs. The way this crisis has been handled so far is bringing up bad memories from bankruptcy. The pilot group is angry at management for all of their past failings and will say "No" to anything they propose, even if it was free Chick-fil-a on any trip that touches ATL.

I like the idea of working less hours as long as it doesn't involve working for less $ per hour. There is a big difference between a rate cut and an ALV cut.
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I was surprised that 90% of the pilot group wasn't willing to make a small temporary adjustment to the ALV in exchange for no furloughs. I'm part of the 10% that would, and I am not a UNA pilot.
I don’t find it all that surprising, but not because of pilot greed or intransigence towards their lower seniority brethren and sisters, but because of the history of Delta asking for concessions from the pilot group, then pocketing the savings and stabbing the group in the back before the ink is dry on the agreements. With the prior history, why would any pilot agree in principle to any concession that they fully expect the company to use as ongoing leverage to erode pay, work rules, vacation, and future participation in profitable times?

Furthermore, for those that weren’t here prior to the era of perpetual profitability, one only need to look at the shifting goalposts, messaging mendacity, and say versus do gap to get a pretty strong feel that the company’s pursuit of pilot concessions has far less to do with company survival and far more to do with resetting relative bargaining and leverage positions vis-à-vis the pilot group. It is abundantly clear that reneging on the SIL for April rebid deal, along with stubborn refusal to even attempt other truly voluntary cost savings measures, while simultaneously taking as many pilot hostages as possible, 2558 at first, then 1941, the company isn’t serious about actual voluntary cost savings. I would add that the most striking example of the company’s drive to punish pilots in spite of data clearly denying the “need” for such steps was the use of FM to stiff the most senior furloughed pilots from a month of furlough pay, saving the company less than two tenths of a percent of the money they then raised off the frequent flyer program.

No, this crisis of job losses isn’t on the shoulders of greedy pilots, it is at the feet of a managerial group that doesn’t respect or understand the pilot group and its keystone position in the short and long-term health of the brand in the eyes of our customers.

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