Meh... The amount of offers will determine the amount the company saves.

The blank lines are definitely a disappointment. It would have been nice to have a higher min guarantee or to be higher on the scheduling ladder. As it stands, my guess is there won’t be many takers on the blank lines outside of Mil folks that are going to be gone anyway (it’s a boon for them).

The silver lining in the LOA are the mil leave provisions (very helpful), and ULC reserve. Based on the scheduling ladder, the ULC reserve folks are almost untouchable. I can see that going very senior. The problem with the ULC is that it’s only month to month, so not very helpful in terms of long range forecasting and furlough mitigation. I suspect the company is counting on the CBL numbers for furlough mitigation and at 35-hours, I don’t think there will be much of a take rate. I hope I’m wrong, but this seems more like a cost savings LOA than a furlough mitigation LOA. Nevertheless, I hope it passes. It does open up some flexibility for folks, and will hopefully save some extra jobs in addition to the 220.

It seems that is all Ed knows. He clearly doesn’t think we are worth the compensation level we have achieved and will take any opportunity to reset our compensation. He’s done it before. Even went on record saying he lost sleep over not taking more from us during BK. So now we have a good MEC that seems to have drawn the line.

Ed and JL have resorted to negotiations via public means (Skynet) because the MEC isn’t playing their game.

We are at another crossroads in our career. We will look back on these times in a decade and will talk about what we did. Or didn’t do. So far I am proud of DALPA and proud of our pilots.

We haven’t knee jerked ourselves into an early agreement that bit us and we have taken a breath, wound the clock and flown our expired contract.

Keep it strong. Don’t let Ed or JL bully you into thinking otherwise.

This should once and for all end the argument that Ed appreciates the pilots. He clearly doesn’t. Never has.

These are my thoughts as well. And because profit sharing is aligned with managements compensation we aren't shut out when this turns around and "we do better when you do better." The only thing missing IMHO is a COLA raise tied to the non-cons. Don't forget we are 4% behind for 2020. Add that to the pilots only 12% give. :rolleyes: ...and down grades, and min reserve, and UNA, and no PS expense etc.

If I have to sit a few more short calls so even a handful of pilots don’t get furloughed, it’s worth it. If it turns out unbearable, tell your reps to pull down the provision.

I think this concern is being somewhat over stated. First, in any given base/category it is doubtful there will be a super high percentage of ULC lines. I mean I could see some hitting maybe 25% of reserve lines but not much more. And second they're going to be offered in highly overstaffed categories so really, how many super-senior guys would actually end up having to sit a SC if they had a standard reserve line? Not many if any, so the junior guys are still going to be doing their standard amount of SC's anyways.

This sort of reminds me how there was some angst among several pilots when SC went from 12 to 9 hours. Lots of people were afraid that it was going to lead to a dramatic increase in the number of SC assigned, but from what I can tell that really hasn't been the case.

I’ll second these same concerns. As neither military nor commuter I’m not interested in any of these options. Yet, I am expected to make up the difference for those who do. Simply put, that’s a QOL decrease and therefore concessionary from my perspective. I’m happy to fly average of one day a month and take my 72 hours. Just one opinion. But, opinions are like .......well, you know. Everybody has one.

Before anyone wants to throw me under the bus for being a heartless bastard and wanting to have these 220 furloughed, wake up. They weren’t going to be getting furloughed Oct 1 anyway. They are needed to fly the schedule through the holidays until training catches up. Company “give” for this LOA was something they needed anyway.



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The company has never shown an aversion to making the schedule happen with green slips and IA. If they have an opportunity to reduce reserve pilots' pay by 20%, they'd rather over do it than under do it... and not just in highly overstaffed categories.

Eventually there will be enough data to zero in on a healthy percentage of ULC. Until that data exists, my guess is they flood the stack with ULC. It's analogous to them working so hard to minimize pre-month credit, even when so many of those gains were reversed during actual execution of the schedule.

Just my guess, anyway...

I guess I don’t get it. They can’t make you sit more short calls than the PWA allows. Will you have more than ULC. Sure, for a 20% premium to their guarantee. But they could make you sit up to 6 now. They just haven’t.

Bingo. Nothing is done as a good faith or goodness of their hearts. Nor would I expect it, it’s business. But don’t try to sell it to me that way.