TED74

With all of these reserve changes, I was really hoping the company would commit to creating some sort of list in icrew that shows who is available for reserve. Maybe call it the "reserve availability list" or something... and guarantee it's accuracy?

tennisguru

The point of saving the 220 (pilots) through Jan 1 is to see how many people take these voluntary options. The goal would be that the “saves” would be permanent, but initially limiting it to Jan 1 gives the company an out if there is zero interest.

Also, to the people complaining about the “may” offer parts of the deal, what did you expect? Do you think the company is going to commit to hard numbers for months on end when they can’t even get a good gauge of demand just a few months out? If there is a high take rate on the 12 month blank lines then that would naturally reduce the number of 1 month blank lines or ultra long call lines, and vice versa. All of this is going to be highly dependent on category and seat, and of course on the strength of demand month-to-month, so I don’t see how they’d ever agree to X percentage or X number of voluntary options for the next 12 months. Of course they need the flexibility of “may”.

ERflyer

You’re all missing the point. We didn’t need to furlough during the financial crisis because by that time, after bankruptcy in 2005, and the new massively concessionary contract hits, there was no need to. We were lean,
streamlined, and efficient. Therefore: no furloughs were necessary in 2008.

Gone Flying

United and usair both went through that too and furloughed in 2008. AA did not go through BK til later (but were operating under a concessionary contract imposed under the threat of BK in 2003) but nonetheless furloughed people who had just been recalled as well. Continental and Alaska also furloughed pilots in 08/09 timeframe.

to my knowledge, DL was the only legacy airline that did not furlough pilots in 08/09 timeframe

EDIT: and I also thought they had 0 pilot furloughs before the early 90s, which means they navigated things like deregulation and the oil crisis without furloughing pilots.

Drum

Which is precisely why I didn't think we needed to go full on scorched earth on the furloughs. Yet here we are. This was all about FUD and to gain leverage to attack our PWA for concessions. Been that way from the beginning of this mess.

tennisguru

Right. I am skeptical about the “big” deal being worked on, but this current TA isn’t concessionary. That’s not to say there won’t be a few people who could be negatively affected, but that in and of itself doesn’t means it’s concessionary.

Gen6

Can’t speak for UAL or USAir but AA still had pilots furloughed from 911 on furlough in 08/09.

fishforfun

Because it had nothing to do with the LOA. If anyone believes they did anything out of good faith I have some ocean front property for sale in AZ. They simply needed the additional bodies to get ready to furlough the majority of the 220 FOs.

On a side note, I know a SW guy collecting a lot more than 25 hours and on full time orders. But hey, 40% of non contract employees took unpaid leaves. Or whatever stupid half truth stat they try to sell.

waldo135

Seen several comments about ‘only saving 220’ furloughs. I thought I read 220 was the minimum. If there are tons of people taking reduced lines, the number could grow.

theUpsideDown

That is what i thought immediately. There's no way that 220 is anything other than a "here's your 220"! Weird people make it up the corporate food chain.

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