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Scoop 09-22-2020 10:30 AM

LOA #20-03 – Voluntary Scheduling Options
 
It is out. I will stick this here for comments. Here is my quick take:

Blank Lines that pay a minimum of 25 hours per month.
Ultra Long Call Reserve (24 hour call out and no SCs) - Pays 80% of Reserve guarantee.
Continuous Blank Line (12 months in a row) - Minimum pay as 35 hours per month.
RLLs - not sure what is different than we already have.

Possibly some changes to the trip coverage steps - I didn't have time to go through and compare the new coverage sequence with our current PWA.

To me the most interesting part is the ULC Reserve - probably tempting for commuters.

Also looks like some very "squishy" wording. The company "may" do this and "may not" so after the whole SIL fiasco put me down as skeptical.

Scoop

Gspeed 09-22-2020 10:49 AM

DALPA site appears to be down. Can anyone post the actual language?

Gone Flying 09-22-2020 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 3133909)
It is out. I will stick this here for comments. Here are is my quick take:

Blank Lines that pay a minimum of 25 hours per month.
Ultra Long Call Reserve (24 hour call out and no SCs) - Pays 80% of Reserve guarantee.
Continuous Blank Line (12 months in a row) - Minimum pay as 35 hours per month.
RLLs - not sure what is different than we already have.

Possibly some changes to the trip coverage steps - I didn't have time to go through and compare the new coverage sequence with our current PWA.

To me the most interesting part is the ULC Reserve - probably tempting for commuters.

Also looks like some very "squishy" wording. The company "may" do this and "may not" so after the whole SIL fiasco put me down as skeptical.

Scoop

they also added long term MLOA taken between now and June 30, 2021 will not count against the 5 year limit, up to 3 years worth of leave.

this looks like the company agreed to all the voluntary measure proposed by ALPA a few months ago. (minus SILs)
I was pleasantly surprised to see a 25/35 hour guarantee for blank lines.

only gotcha I can see is it is riddled with the "company may offer" that ended up causing the SIL debacle.

WhiskeyDelta 09-22-2020 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gone Flying (Post 3133935)
they also added long term MLOA taken between now and June 30, 2021 will not count against the 5 year limit, up to 3 years worth of leave.

this looks like the company agreed to all the voluntary measure proposed by ALPA a few months ago. (minus SILs)
I was pleasantly surprised to see a 25/35 hour guarantee for blank lines.

only gotcha I can see is it is riddled with the "company may offer" that ended up causing the SIL debacle.


The “May offer” isn’t really an issue right? If they don’t indeed offer some or all of these it’s just more reason, as if some needed it, to continue to not trust management. The silver lining I see is this could be an opportunity for the company to correct the wrong that was the SIL and actually follow through with these options. However, from the beginning the company has said they want flexibility. “May offer” is part of that as far as I can see.

Forgotmyhat 09-22-2020 11:12 AM

What’s the difference between the paid blank lines and a SIL other than the ability to pick up trips in open time?

Gone Flying 09-22-2020 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Forgotmyhat (Post 3133950)
What’s the difference between the paid blank lines and a SIL other than the ability to pick up trips in open time?

Biggest reason: the 1st option is not called an SIL.

EDIT it also looks like anyone who received a furlough notice will not be able to bid for the 12 month blank line. While I’ll probably get furloughed anyway, I would have gone for one of those in a heartbeat

Banzai 09-22-2020 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Forgotmyhat (Post 3133950)
What’s the difference between the paid blank lines and a SIL other than the ability to pick up trips in open time?

The going rate on SILs was around 50-55hrs.

If I read this correctly, you get paid the greater of the line guarantee OR accumulated pay and credit. So, sit at home on your "SIL" for 25 hours. Work 20 hours and get paid 25 hours. Work 50 hours and get paid 50 hours.

So I guess it's a half-price SIL that you can choose to work if you want the money, or want currency.

Two Kings 09-22-2020 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gone Flying (Post 3133951)
Biggest reason: the 1st option is not called an SIL.

EDIT it also looks like anyone who received a furlough notice will not be able to bid for the 12 month blank line. While I’ll probably get furloughed anyway, I would have gone for one of those in a heartbeat


I agree. It’s too bad. While it probably would hurt planning I would have taken it until they stopped messing around and actually furloughed me.

FIIGMO 09-22-2020 12:06 PM

At some point unfortunately, we will have to deal with the reality that we just have too many pilots...... Furloughs have always been a reality when we decided to go down this road...... this time it seems more cut and dry from a business standpoint.... I am willing to try anything but at some point the math just has to work...

Gone Flying 09-22-2020 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FIIGMO (Post 3133995)
At some point unfortunately, we will have to deal with the reality that we just have too many pilots...... Furloughs have always been a reality when we decided to go down this road...... this time it seems more cut and dry from a business standpoint.... I am willing to try anything but at some point the math just has to work...

i thought the first time DL furloughed was the early 90s.

And they did not furlough during the 2008 recession like many other airlines


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