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notEnuf 09-23-2020 04:36 AM


Originally Posted by Ursula (Post 3134394)
I'm not sure how you conclude Ed's pay. He gave up his salary and his options if he has any are probably worthless because the strike price is too high. His RSUs are worth half what they were issued at, so his total compensation is down at least 50%. Meanwhile he's still working his hours. By that example you'd be flying an 80 hour line at 40 hour pay.

I'll guess that he continues to accumulate options and outright awards this year. It's variable compensation, similar to profit sharing.

OOfff 09-23-2020 06:24 AM


Originally Posted by GucciBoy (Post 3134383)

Making him admit that we are closer to him than a baggage handler in the overall scheme of things is what we need.

Wait, pilots actually believe this?

askdanny 09-23-2020 07:04 AM


Originally Posted by BlaneO (Post 3134081)
I just watched Ed's townhall from today and was enfuriated by it.

Relax. It's not worth it. Here's why management is applying a double standard between the pilots and the rest of Delta (if you understand that, their lack of straightforwardness won't be so maddening). It has one goal only: keeping other employee groups from organizing. That's it! It has nothing to do with sharing the pain or being team players. But they will paint it as is.

m3113n1a1 09-23-2020 07:20 AM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3134456)
Wait, pilots actually believe this?

The delusional egos of pilots. Flight attendants and gate agents have way more effect on Delta's success than us. You could replace us with thousands of other airline's pilots and no one would even notice! Replace the CEO and everyone would notice.

GucciBoy 09-23-2020 08:09 AM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3134456)
Wait, pilots actually believe this?




Originally Posted by m3113n1a1 (Post 3134501)
The delusional egos of pilots. Flight attendants and gate agents have way more effect on Delta's success than us. You could replace us with thousands of other airline's pilots and no one would even notice! Replace the CEO and everyone would notice.



You’ve got it all wrong. On several points. First, pilots are closer to the CEO than they are to baggage handlers on a macro level. As in 12000-plus pilots as a group. On a micro level, sure, we are easily replaced by the next bubba in line. The difference there is Delta can hire any able-bodied person off the street and make them a baggage handler. To my knowledge, Delta has created zero pilots in their long history.

When you drop the humble act and acknowledge this fact, you realize that this is the distinction that makes it more realistic for a baggage handler to take an “unpaid” leave versus the pilot group or the CEO.

queuetip 09-23-2020 09:14 AM


Originally Posted by GucciBoy (Post 3134525)
You’ve got it all wrong. On several points. First, pilots are closer to the CEO than they are to baggage handlers on a macro level. As in 12000-plus pilots as a group. On a micro level, sure, we are easily replaced by the next bubba in line. The difference there is Delta can hire any able-bodied person off the street and make them a baggage handler. To my knowledge, Delta has created zero pilots in their long history.

When you drop the humble act and acknowledge this fact, you realize that this is the distinction that makes it more realistic for a baggage handler to take an “unpaid” leave versus the pilot group or the CEO.

Any employee group is closer to the CEO on a macro level. Fire all the reservation agents and it's a bigger deal than firing the CEO. Cut 25% of the reservation agents and it's only noticed for about three weeks and doesn't really even hit major news. The majors are all talking about cutting 20% of their pilots and most people I've talked to are surprised that any of us still have jobs with so few people flying. I'm fairly certain the only reason a 20% cut in pilots would make national news is to drive up hysteria about job losses, "7,000 pilots lose jobs!" or "7,000 union workers lose jobs under Republicans" or "7,000 new jobless hitting the streets". The only reason any of the airline jobs are making news is because of magnitude, not because people care.

m3113n1a1 09-23-2020 09:37 AM


Originally Posted by GucciBoy (Post 3134525)
You’ve got it all wrong. On several points. First, pilots are closer to the CEO than they are to baggage handlers on a macro level. As in 12000-plus pilots as a group. On a micro level, sure, we are easily replaced by the next bubba in line. The difference there is Delta can hire any able-bodied person off the street and make them a baggage handler. To my knowledge, Delta has created zero pilots in their long history.

When you drop the humble act and acknowledge this fact, you realize that this is the distinction that makes it more realistic for a baggage handler to take an “unpaid” leave versus the pilot group or the CEO.

You don't think Delta could hire able bodied people off the street and turn them into pilots too??

Foreign carriers do it all the time. Delta is just going the cheaper route (for now) due to ample supply.

Fredturbo 09-23-2020 09:42 AM


Originally Posted by m3113n1a1 (Post 3134501)
The delusional egos of pilots. Flight attendants and gate agents have way more effect on Delta's success than us. You could replace us with thousands of other airline's pilots and no one would even notice! Replace the CEO and everyone would notice.

Really? I have to keep remembering if the ceo is ed or Richard. I usually try to picture slicked back hair, but that doesn’t help. Then I have to move to the tennis shoes and remember. Of course, I also do the same with the head of Alpa and think mustachio in oil.

Fredturbo 09-23-2020 09:47 AM


Originally Posted by m3113n1a1 (Post 3134568)
You don't think Delta could hire able bodied people off the street and turn them into pilots too??

.

not overnight. The ceo could take a leave of absence for a year and it would be unnoticeable.

GucciBoy 09-23-2020 09:57 AM


Originally Posted by m3113n1a1 (Post 3134568)
You don't think Delta could hire able bodied people off the street and turn them into pilots too??

Foreign carriers do it all the time. Delta is just going the cheaper route (for now) due to ample supply.


Then why did you bother going through all the trouble? You could’ve been a ramper inside of a week. Could’ve saved years of effort, and you wouldn’t have to worry about furloughs. It looks like you made a poor choice.


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