Scoop

Here is the readers digest version:

Pro: lays out numbers and statistics.
Con: Says Good concept but no metrics or unclear impact.

You guys can read it yourself but the Pro side seems to make a stronger case IMHO.

I still have not seen any one make a case against approving it, banking 220 Jobs saved over the Holidays and then pulling it down. Nothing to lose and 220 families get a paycheck over the Holidays.

I am voting yes since my worry over the company being untrustworthy is alleviated by the pull-down feature. Only a real Scrooge would shoot this down.

If the No voters in the MEC have bigger Strategic issues for voting No they certainly are not sharing them.

Scoop

PilotBases

I am in favor, and genuinely wanted to understand the no side more, but like you said, it comes down to “good concept, no method...”. As it’s the company saving money by putting them out, it’s their loss to be scant with the offerings. If they offer zero, they save nothing. So no worries then?

WhiskeyDelta

If the company doesn’t implement the options put forth in this LOA, isn’t that just more proof they aren’t taking this seriously? To me that puts all the onus on them and just adds to their ambivalent MO since this began.

Schwanker

55 hours is industry standard. Settling for 35 hour - 12 month blank lines is a huge fail. We vote in this, we’ll never see industry standard. 58 hours for VEOP was acceptable. Anything less for long term leaves is unacceptable.

Easy No

m3113n1a1

Actually in United's LOA 20-02 (prior to this current one that lowers their line guarantee) they agreed to 0 pay voluntary blank lines.

Drum

So the fact they hurled themselves into the surrender abyss is reason for us to do it? OK.

I was initially a kinda yes, but swung to a hard no. Especially after united's turd. Someone has to hold the bar a little higher in this industry. SWA had a good start. The "pro" paper I thought was contrived and weak. The "con" not much better. Who writes this stuff?

Anyway, if it passes I fear we'll never get on a plus side on voluntary measures again. This is all we are going to get if we agree. WE shouldn't settle for this piece of junk. Further, I don't see this working quite the way the "pros" are stating it will.

When are they going to code the ULC's? Next summer? Never? It is after all at the klompany's discretion - who puts that stuff in a contract? That is dumb. No, you've got 30 days from the time of passage to have the ULC coded. If you don't you get whatever teeth are required to force you to do it - as written.

I don't think its going to be that easy to pull down either. I'm back to the rip the band aid off camp again - let them furlough and see what number they are actually going to do. If it goes deep and I end up in the furlough bucket again, so be it. Rather be there than give away pieces of the PWA to a kompany who is absolutely not letting a crisis go to waste.

DaServo

This! Please guys, don’t let them move the goalposts this much. Everything else sounds fine but this one point is a huge red flag and you’ll regret it later. Once the company gets these kind of numbers it permanently moves the needle to a new starting point that can never be recovered. Talk to your reps and make this point loud and clear, the company will give in on this if it’s made an issue.

PilotBases

American also has Zero Time Lines, which I believe are unpaid. So for “blank lines” which can be built up through pickups, Delta has the best. A SIL is not a Blank Line. SILs are not happening, and the longer we sit and yell into the abyss about them, the more time is wasted.

When blank lines were mentioned in July, there was no element of base pay attached to them, nor expected from what I recall. Sounds like we got something better? I don’t think FA’s blank lines include it either.

D B Cooper

With 5 weeks vacation, training pay, and qcq. The 12 month blank line avg. Is 54 hours a month.

Drum

yeah cause we all get 5 weeks vacation now don't we.