LOA 20-04 MEC approves counter
10-27-2020, 06:48 PM
#21
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As a member of the 1721 club, who is on most of the sites, but doesn't post much on SM about this, the last week had felt like a fair amount of the soon to be furloughed crowd is stuck in a loop on step 1-3 of the five stages of grief.
denial.
anger.
bargaining.
depression.
acceptance.
OK. I've been furloughed/Laid Off/Company Folded. This will be #7 but my first airline to do so (but not first pilot job)
I realize that I have a lot of options open, being that I have worked in other fields that are not tied to flying or my ability to pass an FAA medical. (please, for all that is holy, this is why you have your kids get degrees unrelated to aviation, if they want to follow in your footsteps.. Best move I did was getting a Mechanical Engineering degree, but Accounting, Finance, Teaching, anything that you can do without being locked into aviation)
But I basically went like this
March- This is the standard seasonal illness out of Asia, just getting SM Hype- Denial
Anger- Mostly directed at the company after the rebid reneg.
Barganing.. I pretty much skipped this.
Depression.. When the JAN AE cancel pulled my 73NA slot and then the MOAD threw me UNA.
Acceptance.. I started searching for reserve orders starting sometime in the "Cares runs out, but furlough pay hasn't" window.
But seriously, I've seen people more or less trying to wish crap into reality.
What were y'all doing the last 7 months? This is the most notice I've ever had of a furlough/layoff, EVER. Sold my house, cut bills back, saved like mad, wife has picked up tutoring gig since remote schooling is even worse than in person common core math.. I've reserve-bummed like mad while UNA.
This is like when they had to reset my dislocated shoulder. "It is either gonna hurt real bad for 2 minutes, or be indescribable for 10 seconds" (I chose 10 seconds).
Also akin to seeing parent/grandparent die of dementia vs boom, heart attack, dead...
I wish I could have said goodbye to Oma and Opa, but they were gone like that (unexpected). It was easier than seeing my dad die slowly of lewy body dementia over the course of 3 years, when there was jack and skiff I could do, and was just along for the ride.
Omi and Opa (German / Latvian grandparents) were more of a shock, because they were both healthy for their age (Opa was 59) but having seen my dad die at 66 from dementia, and having not really been fully aware of life for the 3 years before, it was actually a relief of sorts when he died.
I think the furlough just finally happening would kind of be that sort of catharsis for a lot of people, but they don't know it yet.
Right now we are the poor kid stuck in house where Dad is an A-hole and Mom is a Witch, mostly because they hate each other.. But they won't get divorced.
denial.
anger.
bargaining.
depression.
acceptance.
OK. I've been furloughed/Laid Off/Company Folded. This will be #7 but my first airline to do so (but not first pilot job)
I realize that I have a lot of options open, being that I have worked in other fields that are not tied to flying or my ability to pass an FAA medical. (please, for all that is holy, this is why you have your kids get degrees unrelated to aviation, if they want to follow in your footsteps.. Best move I did was getting a Mechanical Engineering degree, but Accounting, Finance, Teaching, anything that you can do without being locked into aviation)
But I basically went like this
March- This is the standard seasonal illness out of Asia, just getting SM Hype- Denial
Anger- Mostly directed at the company after the rebid reneg.
Barganing.. I pretty much skipped this.
Depression.. When the JAN AE cancel pulled my 73NA slot and then the MOAD threw me UNA.
Acceptance.. I started searching for reserve orders starting sometime in the "Cares runs out, but furlough pay hasn't" window.
But seriously, I've seen people more or less trying to wish crap into reality.
What were y'all doing the last 7 months? This is the most notice I've ever had of a furlough/layoff, EVER. Sold my house, cut bills back, saved like mad, wife has picked up tutoring gig since remote schooling is even worse than in person common core math.. I've reserve-bummed like mad while UNA.
This is like when they had to reset my dislocated shoulder. "It is either gonna hurt real bad for 2 minutes, or be indescribable for 10 seconds" (I chose 10 seconds).
Also akin to seeing parent/grandparent die of dementia vs boom, heart attack, dead...
I wish I could have said goodbye to Oma and Opa, but they were gone like that (unexpected). It was easier than seeing my dad die slowly of lewy body dementia over the course of 3 years, when there was jack and skiff I could do, and was just along for the ride.
Omi and Opa (German / Latvian grandparents) were more of a shock, because they were both healthy for their age (Opa was 59) but having seen my dad die at 66 from dementia, and having not really been fully aware of life for the 3 years before, it was actually a relief of sorts when he died.
I think the furlough just finally happening would kind of be that sort of catharsis for a lot of people, but they don't know it yet.
Right now we are the poor kid stuck in house where Dad is an A-hole and Mom is a Witch, mostly because they hate each other.. But they won't get divorced.
10-27-2020, 08:56 PM
#25
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Posts: 488
Originally Posted by CX500T
Also akin to seeing parent/grandparent die of dementia vs boom, heart attack, dead...
I wish I could have said goodbye to Oma and Opa, but they were gone like that (unexpected). It was easier than seeing my dad die slowly of lewy body dementia over the course of 3 years, when there was jack and skiff I could do, and was just along for the ride.
Omi and Opa (German / Latvian grandparents) were more of a shock, because they were both healthy for their age (Opa was 59) but having seen my dad die at 66 from dementia, and having not really been fully aware of life for the 3 years before, it was actually a relief of sorts when he died.
I wish I could have said goodbye to Oma and Opa, but they were gone like that (unexpected). It was easier than seeing my dad die slowly of lewy body dementia over the course of 3 years, when there was jack and skiff I could do, and was just along for the ride.
Omi and Opa (German / Latvian grandparents) were more of a shock, because they were both healthy for their age (Opa was 59) but having seen my dad die at 66 from dementia, and having not really been fully aware of life for the 3 years before, it was actually a relief of sorts when he died.
So sorry you had to endure the dementia situation with your father. I entirely feel your pain as I just went through it myself with my mother, practically the same ages and all. The "sunsetters" aggression was an added cherry on top to the entire situation. I whole heartedly agree with the "all of the sudden" aspect being preferrable. Those last years were not in any way, shape, or form, living. It was a total de-evolution from adult back to infant (and further).
And I agree with everything you said regarding the furoughs. Furloughs are going to happen if the company is over-manned in their opinion. Period. They either need the pilots or they don't. And if they do need them, then they should be the ones to be paying them to keep them on property. It sets a very bad precedence for the pilot group to be "paying" the salaries of pilots the company wants to keep anyway.
I wish I would have had 7 months advance notice and preparation for my furlough in '01.
10-28-2020, 04:42 AM
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Posts: 739
Originally Posted by Jaww
A line check ramper told me it was a done deal. This checks with the gate agent instructor this morning who said the same.
10-28-2020, 05:04 AM
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Originally Posted by tunes
Your union source is wrong.
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