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12-05-2020, 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Seneca Pilot
I've seen all that but I am not convinced yet. I am waiting for all this to play out but the video is not good for the home team. Wisconsin has over one hundred thousand unrequested mail in ballots counted which is against their election law. Not fraud but an illegal conduct of the election. That one will most likely be heard by the Supreme court. There are similar issues in many states which set election rules in ways not authorized by the constitution.
What that video shows doesn't have to be fraud. It shows the counting of votes without poll watchers and that is illegal election conduct. Even if those people were operating in complete good faith the video is a bombshell because it corroborates the affadavits that alleged votes were being counted without poll watchers.
Despite what you hear in the news, the Trump legal team is focused on illegal election conduct where the states election officials, secretaries of state, and courts changed election law despite the constitutional requirement that those laws are exclusively the responsibility of the legislatures. You may have also heard that the Trump legal team is something like 40-1 in court losses. As of Tuesday the Trump legal team had filed three cases (I think four by now) and they are making their way through courts. The other cases were brought by individuals not connected to the campaign. The focus in those cases is unconstitutional election rules.
There has been fraud but that is a sideshow to the last minute changes that were illegally made in the name of Covid.
It is all fascinating and since i love constitutional study and find this interesting I have enjoyed seeing the show from both sides. We get to see a Delegate in inclusive Michigan question a naturalized citizen and out her for her non native maiden name. Funky witnesses fighting verbally with legislators. Lawyers farting. It's all very interesting theater and I hope it ends with Americans having some faith in our election process or we are going to have serious problems going forward.
What that video shows doesn't have to be fraud. It shows the counting of votes without poll watchers and that is illegal election conduct. Even if those people were operating in complete good faith the video is a bombshell because it corroborates the affadavits that alleged votes were being counted without poll watchers.
Despite what you hear in the news, the Trump legal team is focused on illegal election conduct where the states election officials, secretaries of state, and courts changed election law despite the constitutional requirement that those laws are exclusively the responsibility of the legislatures. You may have also heard that the Trump legal team is something like 40-1 in court losses. As of Tuesday the Trump legal team had filed three cases (I think four by now) and they are making their way through courts. The other cases were brought by individuals not connected to the campaign. The focus in those cases is unconstitutional election rules.
There has been fraud but that is a sideshow to the last minute changes that were illegally made in the name of Covid.
It is all fascinating and since i love constitutional study and find this interesting I have enjoyed seeing the show from both sides. We get to see a Delegate in inclusive Michigan question a naturalized citizen and out her for her non native maiden name. Funky witnesses fighting verbally with legislators. Lawyers farting. It's all very interesting theater and I hope it ends with Americans having some faith in our election process or we are going to have serious problems going forward.
It’s not illegal to count votes without observers present, at least in Georgia:
https://www.lawfareblog.com/election...rules-and-laws
“In Georgia, each political party may appoint two poll watchers per precinct. Each independent or nonpartisan candidate may also appoint one poll watcher. All poll watchers must be nominated at least seven days prior to the election and will be appointed to serve in the locations designated by the superintendent within the tabulating center. Designated locations where watchers can legally observe include the check-in area, computer room, duplication area and other areas as the superintendent may deem necessary to the assurance of fair and honest procedures in the tabulating center, which includes the counting and recording of votes. Similarly, at least seven days prior to the start of early voting, political parties or candidates must nominate poll watchers for early voting sites.
At least 14 days prior to the election, parties, political bodies and independent candidates may submit up to 25 statewide poll watchers to the State Election Board. These designated statewide observers may observe in any precinct, and can move around to other precincts throughout Election Day, but are otherwise subject to all limitations on precinct-nominated poll watchers. Further, no more than two poll watchers from each political party, political body or independent candidate may be at the same precinct at the same time in Georgia.
Poll watchers in Georgia may also observe “the counting and recording of votes.” They may not directly challenge observed irregularities or infractions or file complaints with the poll managers. However, they may report any observed issues to the election superintendent. Further, Georgia poll watchers are allowed to access the area where the ballots are counted and can observe both the counting and recording of these ballots.”
I also can’t find anything referencing unsolicited ballots being mailed in WI. I requested absentee applications were mailed, but no ballots as far as I can tell.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wis...gally/34731545
I appreciate the magnanimity you express at the end of your post, but it doesn’t change the fact that I can’t find a single reference for any of the claims in your posts without that reference sourcing the unsubstantiated claims coming from the Trump campaign.
12-05-2020, 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Gspeed
If you put faith in article like that, it just goes to show how myopic the view from your fish bowl really is.
I find it so hilarious that you Cheeto dusters can’t seem understand that people voted in such numbers because of their supreme distaste and/or hatred of King Cheeto.
I find it so hilarious that you Cheeto dusters can’t seem understand that people voted in such numbers because of their supreme distaste and/or hatred of King Cheeto.
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