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Old 01-10-2021, 06:32 PM   #351  
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​​I could be wrong but last I checked Fauci still has a mid 60s approval rating…not too bad? But lets get this straight – the only reason Fauci is doubted or hated by many is because he was targeted by potus. Mark Meadows, White house chief of staff, led the smear campaign, which was quickly amplified by right wing media.

Early last summer the administration decided their strategy to win in Nov was to stop talking about the pandemic, minimize testing, get the economy back going, etc. They didn’t explicitly tell Fauci this (or any other agencies or the public for that matter) but they wanted him to change his tune or, very least, shut up. But he wouldn’t so the objective was to lower his public approval rating enough so they could fire him (firing someone popular doesn't help). The campaign obviously failed but damage was done.

The 80 year old lifelong public servant has absolutely no logical reason to lie about anything. He could’ve retired years ago with a fat pension and still worked a side gig on some board. Is he perfect? Of course not.
Nope, not buying your theory that it was some right wing ploy to win re-election. Fauci did it to himself. This old coverage isn’t from some right wing Trump supporter:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P1a3S7tKmbA
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Nope, not buying your theory that it was some right wing ploy to win re-election. Fauci did it to himself. This old coverage isn’t from some right wing Trump supporter:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P1a3S7tKmbA
Question...why didn't Trump just fire Fauci last summer?

Also, it was fairly widely reported last month wrt the administration's actual strategy

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Question...why didn't Trump just fire Fauci last summer?
I thought he was in a position that the president couldn’t just fire him from.

I thought certain civil servant positions can’t be fired by POTUS
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Old 01-10-2021, 07:12 PM   #354  
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Answer. Because hindsight is 20/20
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Why did fauci lie?

what exactly was his goal?
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I’ve written about the examples you’ve cited in previous posts but really it just doesn’t matter – if not these things then it’d be something else (the short of it is he was in line with then CDC guidance). When Fauci wasn’t going to go along with Trump it was over. I guess that’s sorta what pis*es me off…he’s demonized for being a liar when the truth is BECAUSE he wouldn’t lie he was demonized. He wouldn’t go around last summer saying we’re “rounding the corner” or “more testing is bad” or other outrageously ridiculous crap.
I can't speak to what others think of Fauci; only my personal opinion.

He's a medical doctor and scientist. Scientists by training tend to not speak in absolutes and equivocate alot about things they cannot be CERTAIN of. They don't tend to be "optimistic" people in their words, not because they don't feel or believe something but because they are careful to not mislead with things that have not or cannot be proven scientifically.

Perhaps Fauci didn't use any of Trump's overly rosy language to reassure and calm the American people. Perhaps that got him cross with Trump and Trump supporters. That can all be 100% true...but it does not change the objective reality that he purposefully misled the American people with regards to mask usage in March and April. If some people feel his misleading public statements were somehow okay or justified because of the righteousness behind his decision (avoiding a public rush on scarce medical PPE) then that's a fair debate to be had.

Frankly I don't see how anybody with a shred of objectivity can listen to the man's own statements in full context of interviews available on Youtube, combined with printed interviews, and not conclude he purposefully misled the American public in March and April on the topic of facial coverings.

What did HE stand to gain from misleading the public? My opinion is nothing - he made what he felt was the best decision at the time with regards to the PPE situation. When the PPE situation changed due to Project Airbridge, so did government guidance and Fauci's own public messaging. Just own that decision - its benefits AND its downsides.

I wish people who are so quick to point to Trump's resistance to promoting mask usage would also acknowledge that shifting guidance on this issue, especially when initial statements by the scientific figurehead of that messaging campaign were later contradicted and self-admitted to be purposeful, also contributed to public skepticism.

This isn't an anti-Fauci or anti-Trump thing, this is a public buy-in for a public health initiative thing and both errors can and should be acknowledged and discussed.

If we're going to "build back better" as a nation once we enter a post-pandemic phase, we have to fairly evaluate the good AND bad actions and messages from all involved players, fairly assign credit were due, and fairly assign blame where due.
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I’ve written about the examples you’ve cited in previous posts but really it just doesn’t matter – if not these things then it’d be something else (the short of it is he was in line with then CDC guidance). When Fauci wasn’t going to go along with Trump it was over. I guess that’s sorta what pis*es me off…he’s demonized for being a liar when the truth is BECAUSE he wouldn’t lie he was demonized. He wouldn’t go around last summer saying we’re “rounding the corner” or “more testing is bad” or other outrageously ridiculous crap.

What should have happened is Trump should’ve fired Fauci early last summer and installed a Scott Atlas type to mesh with his true natural herd immunity policy. Having said all this, if Fauci’s approval with the public does (or has?) actually dropped off, then he should be replaced.

Interesting mask article btw - history repeats
Nobody climbs the slippery pole of any huge organization without being a political animal first, and from a very early start. (CEOs, Generals, High level politicians, etc.)

Fauci is no different. He may very well be brilliant, but his #1 skill is balancing trade-offs; a nice way of saying he's adept at speaking out of both sides of his mouth. This doesn't mean he's "compromised", only that no one should be disappointed when he sings a different tune every day.

It is what it is.

I'd be more impressed if he was better at reducing complex information to manageable packets for the layman. The best ever at that was physicist and ladies man Richard Feynman. A truly rare breed.
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Why did fauci lie?

what exactly was his goal?
Fauci is a big pharma salesman. Why isn't anyone asking him why there is no distribution infrastructure for the vaccine, when the taxpayers paid for the entire cost of the program in advance.
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Fauci is a big pharma salesman. Why isn't anyone asking him why there is no distribution infrastructure for the vaccine, when the taxpayers paid for the entire cost of the program in advance.
yeah, nobody has asked why there isn’t a coordinated response from the administration.


except literally everyone
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Nobody climbs the slippery pole of any huge organization without being a political animal first, and from a very early start. (CEOs, Generals, High level politicians, etc.)
correct. He is a career bureaucrat. I had never heard of him until last year, and when I heard how long he's been in Washington, I was stunned. He's not the reason that this pandemic turned into what it did though. You can thank the politicans (mostly Democrats) who kept moving the goal posts. 2 weeks of quarantine turned into 6. Which turned into what we see today, which is one case of Covid is enough to keep entire states locked down. Think Gretchen Whitmer or Cuomo. We have been repeatedly lied to by Democrats, and people like oofff not only accept it, but blame the right for it.
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