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Old 01-15-2021, 06:01 AM   #391  
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We’re told getting vaccinated doesn’t keep you from spreading it, only from getting infected yourself, just like having the antibodies may not keep you from being a carrier. I’d say people who feel they’re at risk should take responsibility and get vaccinated and take precautions, and not fall into the trap of depending on someone else’s actions keeping them safe.
This is a incorrect statement. It’s possible to get covid after a vaccine but before full antibody production. In that case you could spread it. It’s also possible to get covid even with the vaccine and spread it but the numbers look really good. Once you have full antibody protection the likelihood of getting and spreading covid is very low to virtually nil once you reach full antibody levels.
The above perception is driven by the press saying people vaccinated can still spread it. They omit that they mean people who were exposed to covid just before or after getting the vaccine.
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What was the US population in 2019 vs 2020? What is the percentage of deaths YOY?
Final mortality data for this year will not be available for months. But preliminary numbers suggest that the United States is on track to see more than 3.2 million deaths this year, or at least 400,000 more than in 2019.

“U.S. deaths increase most years, so some annual rise in fatalities is expected. But the 2020 numbers amount to a jump of about 15%, and could go higher once all the deaths from this month are counted. That would mark the largest single-year percentage leap since 1918, when tens of thousands of U.S. soldiers died in World War I and hundreds of thousands of Americans died in a flu pandemic. Deaths rose 46% that year, compared with 1917.”
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Final mortality data for this year will not be available for months. But preliminary numbers suggest that the United States is on track to see more than 3.2 million deaths this year, or at least 400,000 more than in 2019.

“U.S. deaths increase most years, so some annual rise in fatalities is expected. But the 2020 numbers amount to a jump of about 15%, and could go higher once all the deaths from this month are counted. That would mark the largest single-year percentage leap since 1918, when tens of thousands of U.S. soldiers died in World War I and hundreds of thousands of Americans died in a flu pandemic. Deaths rose 46% that year, compared with 1917.”
THe argument goes a little something like this. If 94% of deaths are co-morbidities, and if the covid vaccine works, and all things being equal, the extra 400,000 lives would leave a hole in later data. So 2.8 million year before, 3.2 this last year, 3.0 next year, 2.6 after that, 2.6 after that going back to 2.8 slowly.

You're not going to have the answers you want, that some have already committed to, until years from now.
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Added 1.1 million yesterday


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And another 1.2 million today.

On pace for over 30 million a month now.


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Whew...I had to go back and reread the title of the thread via a vis the 1.2 million numbers. Thankfully I think you are talking vaccinations, not deaths.

See, Biden told us he could do it!
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This is a incorrect statement. It’s possible to get covid after a vaccine but before full antibody production. In that case you could spread it. It’s also possible to get covid even with the vaccine and spread it but the numbers look really good. Once you have full antibody protection the likelihood of getting and spreading covid is very low to virtually nil once you reach full antibody levels.
The above perception is driven by the press saying people vaccinated can still spread it. They omit that they mean people who were exposed to covid just before or after getting the vaccine.
Thats not at all what they mean. All traditional vaccines shed. There is still no evidence this “vaccine” will reduce transmission or your risk to infection. The chief scientist at the WHO reiterated as much as late as Monday. The studies only analyzed reduction of mild symptoms. There are some significant risks to this vaccine. So far there have been 56 deaths linked to it not including those seriously injured. They are already talking about slowing down giving the vaccine to the frail due to significant outcomes they have seen in the frail elderly. As for the excess deaths. Over 60% are non covid related and in younger age groups. Likely they were lockdown related.
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Thats not at all what they mean. All traditional vaccines shed. There is still no evidence this “vaccine” will reduce transmission or your risk to infection. The chief scientist at the WHO reiterated as much as late as Monday. The studies only analyzed reduction of mild symptoms. There are some significant risks to this vaccine. So far there have been 56 deaths linked to it not including those seriously injured. They are already talking about slowing down giving the vaccine to the frail due to significant outcomes they have seen in the frail elderly. As for the excess deaths. Over 60% are non covid related and in younger age groups. Likely they were lockdown related.

You think you could supply maybe one single link to support any of these claims?
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Thats not at all what they mean. All traditional vaccines shed. There is still no evidence this “vaccine” will reduce transmission or your risk to infection. The chief scientist at the WHO reiterated as much as late as Monday. The studies only analyzed reduction of mild symptoms. There are some significant risks to this vaccine. So far there have been 56 deaths linked to it not including those seriously injured. They are already talking about slowing down giving the vaccine to the frail due to significant outcomes they have seen in the frail elderly. As for the excess deaths. Over 60% are non covid related and in younger age groups. Likely they were lockdown related.
Well is something dead can animate itself back to life this vaccine has implications way beyond covid!
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Thats not at all what they mean. All traditional vaccines shed. There is still no evidence this “vaccine” will reduce transmission or your risk to infection. The chief scientist at the WHO reiterated as much as late as Monday. The studies only analyzed reduction of mild symptoms. There are some significant risks to this vaccine. So far there have been 56 deaths linked to it not including those seriously injured. They are already talking about slowing down giving the vaccine to the frail due to significant outcomes they have seen in the frail elderly. As for the excess deaths. Over 60% are non covid related and in younger age groups. Likely they were lockdown related.

What does this even mean?

As to your statement about the elderly dying from the vaccine, that was a concern of mine when the vaccine first came out. That the symptoms from the vaccine might be enough to kill some of the elderly, and then pausing vaccinations for safety concerns, on account of the elderly being the majority of initial vaccine recipients.
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