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Old 01-15-2021, 07:39 PM   #401  
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You think you could supply maybe one single link to support any of these claims?
You beat me to it.

Also I could ask at least the last 5 posters that made any type of claim to provide a link for that matter.
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Old 01-16-2021, 01:49 AM   #402  
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According to the NYT a few days ago, they are investigating what may be the FIRST death due to the vaccine.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nyt...death.amp.html
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Old 01-16-2021, 06:10 AM   #403  
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Concerns of the effect of the Pfizer vaccine on oldsters in Norway here:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...tients-over-80

Vaccinate away! The obstacle is the way.
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Old 01-16-2021, 06:57 AM   #404  
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Concerns of the effect of the Pfizer vaccine on oldsters in Norway here:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...tients-over-80

Vaccinate away! The obstacle is the way.
I note the headline specifically is "Norway Warns of Vaccination Risks for Sick Patients Over 80".

The second and third paragraphs of the article; emphasis is mine:

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Norwegian officials said 23 people had died in the country a short time after receiving their first dose of the vaccine. Of those deaths, 13 have been autopsied, with the results suggesting that common side effects may have contributed to severe reactions in frail, elderly people, according to the Norwegian Medicines Agency.

“For those with the most severe frailty, even relatively mild vaccine side effects can have serious consequences,” the Norwegian Institute of Public Health said. “For those who have a very short remaining life span anyway, the benefit of the vaccine may be marginal or irrelevant.”
Given this problem hasn't been reported anywhere else in the world, only Norway, its worth asking if there is actually a problem with the vaccine OR if there's a problem with how it has been administered in Norway.
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Old 01-16-2021, 10:52 AM   #405  
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Concerns of the effect of the Pfizer vaccine on oldsters in Norway here:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...tients-over-80

Vaccinate away! The obstacle is the way.
It didn't take long to see you misrepresented the article. You're credibility is approaching zero on this subject.
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Old 01-16-2021, 12:25 PM   #406  
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It didn't take long to see you misrepresented the article. You're credibility is approaching zero on this subject.
Uh, I posted a link and summarized it by saying it suggested that there were concerns in Norway about the effects of the Pfizer vaccine on the elderly.

Then said we need to vaccinate anyway.

That's it. A summary (mine), a link (to check it yourself), and an appeal to continue vaccinating despite risks to some outlier recipients (an opinion).

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Uh, I posted a link and summarized it by saying it suggested that there were concerns in Norway about the effects of the Pfizer vaccine on the elderly.

Then said we need to vaccinate anyway.

That's it. A summary (mine), a link (to check it yourself), and an appeal to continue vaccinating despite risks to some outlier recipients (an opinion).

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To me there's a pretty clear difference between "oldsters" as you describe them, and those with "severe frailty" as the Norwegians are saying.
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What does this even mean?

As to your statement about the elderly dying from the vaccine, that was a concern of mine when the vaccine first came out. That the symptoms from the vaccine might be enough to kill some of the elderly, and then pausing vaccinations for safety concerns, on account of the elderly being the majority of initial vaccine recipients.
When my mother was weeks from death, in the nursing home, they recommended she not take the flu vaccination that fall. It or anything could kill her. She survived a couple more weeks, and died Oct 6 of “old age and infirmities.” If she had taken the flu vaccine, she likely would have died Sept. 15, right after getting the flu vaccine.
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I agree the initial mask recommendation seems like it could have been handled better. Lying to us accomplished his goal of preserving masks for the healthcare workers, but it then created uncertainty with the general public later on.

As for his herd immunity estimate, it does seem like he initially upped it based on polling. He then diminished the influence that polling had on his estimate. Now he's settled on 70-85%.

I honestly think he means well, but his public relations could use some work.
I would think he was trying to prevent a run on masks a la toilet paper. Let health care people get them. I don't call that a lie. Unlike others. And you know who. Look at his record, he's served many administrations with not a hint of BS. And most of his predictions have come to fruition, unfortunately. I can't find one self serving motive in any of his actions.
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I would think he was trying to prevent a run on masks a la toilet paper. Let health care people get them. I don't call that a lie. Unlike others. And you know who. Look at his record, he's served many administrations with not a hint of BS. And most of his predictions have come to fruition, unfortunately. I can't find one self serving motive in any of his actions.
Extremists need a constant influx of nefarious plots in order to keep their engines running.
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