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jacinth 12-06-2020 08:36 AM


Originally Posted by DenverPilot8 (Post 3167353)
It’s like beating my head against a wall. 6 million is a potential number IF and only IF we all just followed the people who say we shouldn’t shut down, distance, wear masks, mitigate AT ALL. Don’t listen to experts. Scholars, doctors, scientists or any other educated person of knowledge which is what they want. To be clear because the death rate is “only .02%”. So then .02% of the US population is about 700,000 people but with much less than the entire country infected we are already at 300,000 deaths. That’s just the math. That’s all I’m saying. I’m not predicting that many will in fact die and It’s not going to happen because thankfully not the entire country thinks like that and we have vaccines coming despite the best efforts of the people that couldn’t lift a finger to help the cause. I’m not perfect by any means but what can you do when pilots argue to not do anything to mitigate a 100 year global pandemic virus that’s literally destroying their own industry because ah they don’t like a political party or whatever insane reason that has literally nothing to do with the facts of the virus on the ground. I’ll stop now because I’ll get another “you live in your moms basement” or “you’re scared” response and it’s just not even worth it.

6 million was never likely for the same reason Sweden doesn’t have hundreds of thousands of deaths. The models were and are still complete garbage. It isn’t science at all. Just opinionated BS masquerading as something legitimate. A monkey would have better prognostication. Looking at the graphs from different areas of levels of lockdowns/mask mandates it’s quite obvious had we done nothing our numbers would still be around the same they are today. Had we not changed how we code these deaths, and did the same we have always done, and not used PCR as a diagnostic tool to determine covid death the numbers would be dramatically smaller.

Nantonaku 12-06-2020 09:40 AM


Originally Posted by TED74 (Post 3167440)
Unfortunately the extreme right wants you to believe that everyone left of them wants ultra high tax rates. No one with any influence is proposing such things, but we sure do have a lot of people scared by the AOC boogeyman.

Some of us think historic tax rates over the last couple of decades were just fine, and they produced more rich people than ever before in history. We are also tired of subsidizing billionaires and think they can probably do okay without government hand outs. I'm told the guy who started Home Depot (a little mom and pop startup you might have heard of) did so when income over 100k was taxed at 70%.

But sure...anyone who voted for Biden wants all sorts of things he didn't even run on because Rush told me so.

What did Biden run on? A real question. I follow politics fairly close and I'm not sure what he ran on. The only position I know for sure he took was he isn't Trump. I guess that is all some people needed. I'm not saying Trump is any better (does he have any positions at all?) but "come on man," don't say your guy is better than the last guy when he clearly isn't. One thing is for sure, if there is one government in the world that can mess up the rollout of this vaccine it is ours. It doesn't matter who is in charge there won't be 40 million (or 20 million) vaccinated by January. Let's just hope by summer they have this semi-figured out.

Gunfighter 12-06-2020 10:33 AM


Originally Posted by TED74 (Post 3167440)
Unfortunately the extreme right wants you to believe that everyone left of them wants ultra high tax rates. No one with any influence is proposing such things, but we sure do have a lot of people scared by the AOC boogeyman.

Income tax rates are just the tip of the tax iceberg. What gets subjected to those rates is equally important. Many like to tout the substantially higher tax rates from the past, but conveniently forget the deductions that were available when those rates were in effect. Tax sheltered real estate comes to mind here. I'd gladly sign up for a 70% income tax with a 100% tax shelter option. Income tax policy is just a tool for politicians to get paid off by lobbyists. Right and left are in cohouts with respect to income tax, they just want a fight, so they can get lobbied to fix a problem.

The estate tax is where rich get eliminated, not income tax. There isn't a far left boogeyman made up by the ultra right wing influencing my opinion here. Biden is on record as wanting elimination of stepped up basis, lower estate tax exemptions and a higher rate on top of it all. That combination is how the government steps in and determines how to redistribute wealth, not income tax.

atooraya 12-06-2020 10:42 AM


Originally Posted by Nantonaku (Post 3167481)
What did Biden run on? A real question. I follow politics fairly close and I'm not sure what he ran on. The only position I know for sure he took was he isn't Trump. I guess that is all some people needed. I'm not saying Trump is any better (does he have any positions at all?) but "come on man," don't say your guy is better than the last guy when he clearly isn't. One thing is for sure, if there is one government in the world that can mess up the rollout of this vaccine it is ours. It doesn't matter who is in charge there won't be 40 million (or 20 million) vaccinated by January. Let's just hope by summer they have this semi-figured out.

https://lmgtfy.app/?q=what+is+joe+biden%27s+platform

DeltaboundRedux 12-06-2020 12:12 PM

All I'm saying is the Party of Science (POS) President-elect has told us 4 days ago that 250,000 Americans are going to die in a month because we "don't listen."

Neither agree nor disagree...I'm not a scientist; POS Prez gets briefed by experts, so I'm sure he's right about the facts. The cure is "listening", I guess. I'm a little fuzzy on that. Mask mandates are pretty much everywhere.

In 2018 2.8 million people took a dirt nap; I have to assume that the 250,000 now expected to die of Covid in 4 weeks is over and above that number. That's a staggering 11% increase in total deaths for the year; probably much more because I don't hear anyone saying sufficient "listening" will reduce that number in February. That kind of spike in annual death rates is going to mean mass graves and freezer trucks at the morgues.

Half a million people die of Covid in the next two months, and the airlines are going to be in a world of hurt, vaccine or not, listening or not, POS President or not. Honestly, the only thing I care about in this whole forum is airline viability.

TED74 12-06-2020 01:15 PM


Originally Posted by Nantonaku (Post 3167481)
What did Biden run on? A real question. I follow politics fairly close and I'm not sure what he ran on. The only position I know for sure he took was he isn't Trump. I guess that is all some people needed. I'm not saying Trump is any better (does he have any positions at all?) but "come on man," don't say your guy is better than the last guy when he clearly isn't. One thing is for sure, if there is one government in the world that can mess up the rollout of this vaccine it is ours. It doesn't matter who is in charge there won't be 40 million (or 20 million) vaccinated by January. Let's just hope by summer they have this semi-figured out.

https://joebiden.com/joes-vision/

Here's the platform, broken down into 13 sections. In full disclosure, I would have voted for any mammal that wasn't Trump. I'll indeed say "my guy" is better than him, as is every nominee he'll bring into his staff and cabinet. I can think of a few convicted felons I would personally prefer to have in office over another Trump dumpster fire of a term. Of course I'm biased because I've listened to Trump's words (before and after his election), read some excerpts of his book, and read enough of his tweets to appreciate his numerous shortcomings. I also value allies, intellect and honesty.

I'm not optimistic about the rollout of the vaccine, but at least Trump is at least staying mostly silent on it [what an odd state amidst a global pandemic?!]. It sure would be nice to have someone who could at least pretend to care about something other than himself leading the executive branch, but alas this is who America chose last time around. Trump is an a$$hat, but I concede he isn't the problem and merely the symptom of larger problems put into motion by both parties. My hunch is Joe will do less harm than an emboldened Trump family in charge for 4 more years.

Speed Select 12-06-2020 02:15 PM


Originally Posted by TED74 (Post 3167546)
https://joebiden.com/joes-vision/

Here's the platform, broken down into 13 sections. In full disclosure, I would have voted for any mammal that wasn't Trump. I'll indeed say "my guy" is better than him, as is every nominee he'll bring into his staff and cabinet. I can think of a few convicted felons I would personally prefer to have in office over another Trump dumpster fire of a term. Of course I'm biased because I've listened to Trump's words (before and after his election), read some excerpts of his book, and read enough of his tweets to appreciate his numerous shortcomings. I also value allies, intellect and honesty.

I'm not optimistic about the rollout of the vaccine, but at least Trump is at least staying mostly silent on it [what an odd state amidst a global pandemic?!]. It sure would be nice to have someone who could at least pretend to care about something other than himself leading the executive branch, but alas this is who America chose last time around. Trump is an a$$hat, but I concede he isn't the problem and merely the symptom of larger problems put into motion by both parties. My hunch is Joe will do less harm than an emboldened Trump family in charge for 4 more years.

My hunch is he resigns six months into his presidency.

waldo135 12-06-2020 04:38 PM


Originally Posted by Speed Select (Post 3167570)
My hunch is he resigns six months into his presidency.

My hunch is the ‘people in power’ keep him there for 2 years and 1 day, hoping to then get 10 years of Harris.

OOfff 12-06-2020 04:39 PM


Originally Posted by waldo135 (Post 3167605)
My hunch is the ‘people in power’ keep him there for 2 years and 1 day, hoping to then get 10 years of Harris.

my hunch is that this is the same sort of paranoid BS people shouted about Obama declaring himself king, trump running for 3 terms, etc.

waldo135 12-06-2020 04:43 PM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3167608)
my hunch is that this is the same sort of paranoid BS people shouted about Obama declaring himself king, trump running for 3 terms, etc.

Time will tell. No matter what you feel about him politically, there’s no denying his age. I just don’t think he can make it for 4 years. We’ll see


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