Swimming in the pool
12-20-2020, 08:26 PM
#11
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Originally Posted by LAX2MSP
On 12/17 CJO holders got an email stating that their original 18 month CJO was extended 6 months to make it 24 months (end of 1Q 2022). Hypothetically speaking, if management’s forecasted recovery ends up not being correct and that they don’t need additional pilots until AFTER summer 2022 at the earliest, any clue what would happen to the ~120 guys in the pool? Anyone know how post 9/11 and 2009 CJOs were handled?
12-21-2020, 03:34 AM
#12
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Originally Posted by Jester41K
I haven’t read it mentioned, and it was almost a throw away comment. But at the LAX virtual base visit last week, BS did say hiring 600-800 for summer 2022.
12-21-2020, 05:54 AM
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Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF
He said same thing during NYC virtual, but I believe the context was recalling 600-800 of the affected pilots, not off the street hiring.
12-21-2020, 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF
He said same thing during NYC virtual, but I believe the context was recalling 600-800 of the affected pilots, not off the street hiring.
12-21-2020, 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by flyinthrew
Does anybody recall if it was ‘hiring’ or ‘recall’? Words are pretty important in this case.
12-21-2020, 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Dash8Pilot
It was recall from ‘affected pilot’ status. 600-800 to maintain summer 2021 staffing levels for summer 2022.
12-21-2020, 07:07 AM
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That 600-800 number was just to stay at the current staffing level from VEOP/Retirements/Lower TLV. It includes no aircraft growth. I still think all of us will have been offered the chance to recall by Q1 2022 and everyone on property today will be needed for Summer 2022. My personal prediction is possibly a small batch of hiring for Summer 2022 and hiring begins to really ramp back up for Summer 2023. I don't think anyone back in May actually thought we would have vaccines as quickly as we do. We just need to get through these few critical months and hopefully things start coming back in a meaningful way.
12-21-2020, 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by flyinthrew
Its not a stretch to assume that staffing for summer ‘22 will need to be significantly greater than summer ‘21. Unfortunately, I think it will probably be a stretch to need to bring back all of The Affected and then some in that time frame. And if it were in the realm of necessary based on demand recovery, can the training pipeline support it? I have lost track of number of active airframes to pilots, but I have an uneducated hunch that it may take new airframes on property to require new hires.
12-21-2020, 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotBases
20-04 included a provision to allow the “red eye” sim slot for affected pilots, so that adds a little bit of extra capacity to each sim, I believe.
12-21-2020, 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Thruster
If your CJO expires you will do the entire interview again, not at the front of the line.
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