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Old 12-28-2020, 10:13 PM   #11  
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All are also state owned and operated...
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I agree. Freight is what everyone flocked to during this and its what as been stable throughout time. Its the PERFECT stability factor for a pax airline. But alas we have people who think they are above boxes and we can't compete with acmi. Yet like you pointed out major foreign carriers do, nwa did, American did before shuttering in the 90s and we had perfectly capable aircraft for it
NW did not compete effectively in the freight market and was slowly dismantling the operation before the merger.
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If we are living in the past, can we get Delta to restart their crop dusting program? Think of the flying. No paxs. Day VFR. Can’t believe they dismantled it. Guess there’s no money in crop dusting.
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If we are living in the past, can we get Delta to restart their crop dusting program? Think of the flying. No paxs. Day VFR. Can’t believe they dismantled it. Guess there’s no money in crop dusting.
No kidding. We need to stick more to 757 flare techniques or how to handle misbehaving pax instead of this is how we should run the airline

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NW did not compete effectively in the freight market and was slowly dismantling the operation before the merger.
True. A big blow to NW cargo was the loss of the DHL contract in 2005, it was 49% of their revenue on the cargo side. After that the writing was on the wall for the freight operation. And by 2008 if a cargo company didn't have 747-400's or newer then they couldn't get military contracts. The old NW classics became quickly obsolete overnight and that happened about the time of the merger.
People joke about "No money in cargo". Well it's a competitive world and there are many cargo companies long gone and Bankrupt.
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True. A big blow to NW cargo was the loss of the DHL contract in 2005, it was 49% of their revenue on the cargo side. After that the writing was on the wall for the freight operation. And by 2008 if a cargo company didn't have 747-400's or newer then they couldn't get military contracts. The old NW classics became quickly obsolete overnight and that happened about the time of the merger.
People joke about "No money in cargo". Well it's a competitive world and there are many cargo companies long gone and Bankrupt.

August 20 2005 mechanics went in strike at nwa. The capable mechanics that could keep the old girls flying were replaced with bus guys who didn't know them near well enough. They were on tdy out of msp. The DHL contract was lost due on time performance being obliterated due to the mechanic issues. No contract lasts when plane leaves 3 days late.
by your admission it was quite lucrative prior to the issues arising from the mechanical nuances.

Now military charter was always performed by the 747-400s. The classics were freight only not pax.
the evolution of times gave us 747 400s, 777's and 767ers. All fitting the requirements of military charter of supplies, all with range for freight and all highly capable freight aircraft. I dont care what the naysayers view is. My point is we were flying 2 a day chicago to Frankfurt and backs of amazon freight only on 777s. And that saved our backsides and we should never sacrifice the stability freight offers during downturns especially when we had aircraft capable and paid for.

But wait here comes stay yo lane dude...
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August 20 2005 mechanics went in strike at nwa. The capable mechanics that could keep the old girls flying were replaced with bus guys who didn't know them near well enough. They were on tdy out of msp. The DHL contract was lost due on time performance being obliterated due to the mechanic issues. No contract lasts when plane leaves 3 days late.
by your admission it was quite lucrative prior to the issues arising from the mechanical nuances.

Now military charter was always performed by the 747-400s. The classics were freight only not pax.
the evolution of times gave us 747 400s, 777's and 767ers. All fitting the requirements of military charter of supplies, all with range for freight and all highly capable freight aircraft. I dont care what the naysayers view is. My point is we were flying 2 a day chicago to Frankfurt and backs of amazon freight only on 777s. And that saved our backsides and we should never sacrifice the stability freight offers during downturns especially when we had aircraft capable and paid for.

But wait here comes stay yo lane dude...
as a hypothetical contractor for Amazon, how do you suggest we will compete with atlas, southern, sun country, and Mesa with our cost structure?
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as a hypothetical contractor for Amazon, how do you suggest we will compete with atlas, southern, sun country, and Mesa with our cost structure?
We shouldn't have to compete. We are the best pilots in the world. We just tell them that and they'll pay us whatever it takes...
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We shouldn't have to compete. We are the best pilots in the world. We just tell them that and they'll pay us whatever it takes...
they changed the banner in JFK. We are now only the “best pilots in the airline business.”

I’d love to hear why it was changed
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