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Old 12-28-2020, 07:29 AM   #1  
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Could have been a great airplane for us to start back up the northwest dedicated freight side... but there's no money in cargo
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Could have been a great airplane for us to start back up the northwest dedicated freight side... but there's no money in cargo
Amazon is not a company for which you make money being a service provider. I’m quite sure we can’t match atlas’ cost structure, and even they are getting undercut.
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Amazon is not a company for which you make money being a service provider. I’m quite sure we can’t match atlas’ cost structure, and even they are getting undercut.
^^^this. There is money in ACMI right now due to lower volume of pax belly freight. But long term I don’t think we can compete with the cost structure of most ACMI carriers. If you go look at their pay rates/retirement/work rules some of them (atlas and southern) are closer to the regionals than they are to us. EG a 12 year atlas 767 CA makes less than per hour than a 12 year 7ER FO at DL with a 62 hr guarantee for 17 days of work and a weak 401k (.50 on the dollar match up to 5%)
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Could have been a great airplane for us to start back up the northwest dedicated freight side... but there's no money in cargo
There is a reason why Airline Pilots do not run Airlines, aside frome rare cases like Lufthansa's CEO. As the phrase goes.... Stay Yo Lane

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Amazon is not a company for which you make money being a service provider. I’m quite sure we can’t match atlas’ cost structure, and even they are getting undercut.
Amazon will make the regional whipsaw look like child’s play when you watch how they handle the ACMI carriers. They are a ruthless and heavy anti union company.
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Amazon discussion aside, there is a reason why the following predominantly passenger air carriers each have a robust dedicated freighter fleet:

Lufthansa
Cathay Pacific
Korean
Japan Airlines
Air China
China Southern
Emirates
Turkish Airlines
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”Stay in yo lane”...clueless and arrogant.
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Amazon discussion aside, there is a reason why the following predominantly passenger air carriers each have a robust dedicated freighter fleet:

Lufthansa
Cathay Pacific
Korean
Japan Airlines
Air China
China Southern
Emirates
Turkish Airlines
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”Stay in yo lane”...clueless and arrogant.
All are also state owned and operated...
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Amazon discussion aside, there is a reason why the following predominantly passenger air carriers each have a robust dedicated freighter fleet:

Lufthansa
Cathay Pacific
Korean
Japan Airlines
Air China
China Southern
Emirates
Turkish Airlines
Qatar

There are more.

”Stay in yo lane”...clueless and arrogant.
I agree. Freight is what everyone flocked to during this and its what as been stable throughout time. Its the PERFECT stability factor for a pax airline. But alas we have people who think they are above boxes and we can't compete with acmi. Yet like you pointed out major foreign carriers do, nwa did, American did before shuttering in the 90s and we had perfectly capable aircraft for it
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There is a reason airlineawareness started by pilots and successful till the MBA bean counters that win big and loose big due to arrogance.. so talking airline stuff and possibilities of intelligent moves is my lane bud has been for last 15 years.. plus that bit of college on airline finance and management kinda helps
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Amazon discussion aside, there is a reason why the following predominantly passenger air carriers each have a robust dedicated freighter fleet:



Lufthansa

Cathay Pacific

Korean

Japan Airlines

Air China

China Southern

Emirates

Turkish Airlines

Qatar



There are more.



”Stay in yo lane”...clueless and arrogant.
Pre-COVID Delta made more money than all of them combined.

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