Captain BP email thread.
10-06-2023, 12:03 PM
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Captain BP email thread.
How about that memo from BP. If you haven't seen it, I'll paraphrase "screw your contract, we're going with our interpretation, goodluck with the resolution process." I didn't think it was possible, but these guys seem to have gone even further out of their way to drive a wedge between the company and the pilots. Lol and we have guys worried about their choir boy status wrt sick leave.
10-06-2023, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg
How about that memo from BP. If you haven't seen it, I'll paraphrase "screw your contract, we're going with our interpretation, goodluck with the resolution process." I didn't think it was possible, but these guys seem to have gone even further out of their way to drive a wedge between the company and the pilots. Lol and we have guys worried about their choir boy status wrt sick leave.
case and point; it literally costs them nothing to allow us to use the crew rest facilities on the 767, yet they have such utter contempt for us they are making us take it to a grievance to allow us to use this as permitted by our contract.
10-06-2023, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying
yeah, I’m case it was crystal clear to everyone already…EB hates pilots and this management team wants labor unrest with us to dissuade the non cons from unionizing.
case and point; it literally costs them nothing to allow us to use the crew rest facilities on the 767, yet they have such utter contempt for us they are making us take it to a grievance to allow us to use this as permitted by our contract.
case and point; it literally costs them nothing to allow us to use the crew rest facilities on the 767, yet they have such utter contempt for us they are making us take it to a grievance to allow us to use this as permitted by our contract.
10-06-2023, 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying
yeah, I’m case it was crystal clear to everyone already…EB hates pilots and this management team wants labor unrest with us to dissuade the non cons from unionizing.
case and point; it literally costs them nothing to allow us to use the crew rest facilities on the 767, yet they have such utter contempt for us they are making us take it to a grievance to allow us to use this as permitted by our contract.
case and point; it literally costs them nothing to allow us to use the crew rest facilities on the 767, yet they have such utter contempt for us they are making us take it to a grievance to allow us to use this as permitted by our contract.
10-06-2023, 01:06 PM
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Regarding "proof" of covid tests... Delta Pilot Interviewees were (are?) required to show "proof " of a negative Covid test at the interview. "At-home tests are acceptable and do not need to be proctored.", the guidance said. It was explicitly stated in email that a photo of your "official results" would serve as that "proof." For myself and many(most?) others, a picture of an at-home test is exactly what was provided (and accepted) at the interview.
10-06-2023, 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
The funniest part was when they used the FOM at justification on why we can't use them as if the FOM was brought here by Moses from Egypt
this reminds me of something that was in one of the NYC union updates. Apparently one of the NYC CPs was telling new hires they still were required to have a backup flight during LOA 20-04 because a backup flight was still required by the FOM and the FOM supersedes the CBA.
10-06-2023, 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by m3113n1a1
I'm honestly so disappointed at the management style here. I thought covid and JL was hopefully just a blip, but they've just doubled down over and over again. I have no faith management has my back here. And I will not do ANYTHING more than required by the contract and the FOM to help Delta.
10-06-2023, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying
EB has a 20 year history of hating pilots specifically. Covid just gave them (another) chance to show their true colors. I’m not expecting anything to change until/unless there is a shakeup in management from the top down.
10-06-2023, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Verdell
Regarding "proof" of covid tests... Delta Pilot Interviewees were (are?) required to show "proof " of a negative Covid test at the interview. "At-home tests are acceptable and do not need to be proctored.", the guidance said. It was explicitly stated in email that a photo of your "official results" would serve as that "proof." For myself and many(most?) others, a picture of an at-home test is exactly what was provided (and accepted) at the interview.
As for the rest, the creative interpretations are preposterous. Crew meals? That''s an extremely large jump to say that it's FDP vs Block, and not the clear intent of the exemption that one meal will count as one of the two meals. Jumpseat? They may not be wrong that the FOM says jumpseaters must use a "pilot" crew rest, but the the FOM also defines rest areas, which he references, and there is no difference there of FA vs pilot. Where is he pulling this "i.e., pilot" part from?
The PS after reroute though...as much as it pains me, that one lies squarely in "we didn't think they would do that!" territory. Should've seen that one coming. I just hope the negotiation notes are on our side there.
10-06-2023, 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg
How about that memo from BP. If you haven't seen it, I'll paraphrase "screw your contract, we're going with our interpretation, goodluck with the resolution process." I didn't think it was possible, but these guys seem to have gone even further out of their way to drive a wedge between the company and the pilots. Lol and we have guys worried about their choir boy status wrt sick leave.
Management here is extremely arrogant and believes that they will win all of this. We need an MEC that will consistently fight them tooth and nail to defend every section of our contract.
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