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Old 02-28-2021, 02:15 PM
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When was the USERRA dispensation cutoff? Arent orders exempt, per LOA, until 2023?
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Old 02-28-2021, 02:30 PM
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Oof, that might put some people in a pickle if true...

Edit: just went to read the actual LOA language and I'm not sure where this one will fall. It basically says that the pilot will notify the company of their MD preferences or their request for a PLOA or their request for MLOA.

It specifically says the PLOA can be up to one year "or longer with company concurrence."

It doesn't explicitly say that the company will grant the PLOA no matter what, but it does seem to imply that the pilot has the choice of one of those 3 options.
A few people in my class are in that situation, having made commitments to other employers for the rest of this year. Negotiators' Notepads 20-12 and 20-13 contained the following (emphasis from the original):

In this case, the Company will post an announcement that they are exercising the recall of pilots via inverse assignment. Pilots will have 15 days to express their mandatory recall preferences via the Mandatory Displacement (MD) template in iCrew. In those 15 days, pilots will also have the option to opt-out and choose a PLOA for up to 12 months (or longer with Company concurrence) or take an MLOA.
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Q: If I have been recalled via inverse assignment and need more than 12 months before I return to Delta, will the Company grant me a PLOA for longer than 12 months?

A: The Company must award a requested PLOA of a year or less in this scenario. A longer PLOA may be granted with Company concurrence.
But yeah, the obvious problem is the use of "request" in the LOA itself.
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Old 02-28-2021, 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Booker View Post
A few people in my class are in that situation, having made commitments to other employers for the rest of this year. Negotiators' Notepads 20-12 and 20-13 contained the following (emphasis from the original):



But yeah, the obvious problem is the use of "request" in the LOA itself.
I agree that the intent was that the one year PLOA was guaranteed if the pilot wanted it. Hopefully the company will abide by that, especially given how the safe money bet last fall was that the company wouldn't have even hit the bottom of the list to begin inverse assignments until this coming fall at the earliest...
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Old 02-28-2021, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by tennisguru View Post
I agree that the intent was that the one year PLOA was guaranteed if the pilot wanted it. Hopefully the company will abide by that, especially given how the safe money bet last fall was that the company wouldn't have even hit the bottom of the list to begin inverse assignments until this coming fall at the earliest...
Hell, last week I didn't think I'd be coming back before Nov 2022. I might need to take advantage of the PLOA myself depending on timing, but if it's not an option at all, it might make things awfully complicated for my family.
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Old 02-28-2021, 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by tennisguru View Post
I agree that the intent was that the one year PLOA was guaranteed if the pilot wanted it. Hopefully the company will abide by that, especially given how the safe money bet last fall was that the company wouldn't have even hit the bottom of the list to begin inverse assignments until this coming fall at the earliest...
This would be a huge ball drop by ALPA if their negotiators notepad said something so explicitly wrong. It was clearly stated that up to a one year LOA is guaranteed. And the company should absolutely abide by the intent—it’s very logical that some people made commitments due to industry uncertainty, and they shouldn’t be forced to choose now.
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Old 02-28-2021, 04:27 PM
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Is our staffing problem so bad that they will really force a couple hundred people to make a difficult decision to come back, 6 months after threatening to furlough them? I mean if so, then we will have needed to hire like as of yesterday so I just feel like it would be a lot easier on some folks who had to take other commitments to put food on the table have a break for 1 year and just hire those positions. Because let's be honest if they actually deny all these PLOA'S then like I said, we will be hiring anyways. I don't know how bad the situation is. Maybe it is bad and we will need to hire immediately. Certainly feels like some staffing shortages might be in our future...
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Old 02-28-2021, 05:55 PM
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I keep reading the opinion that the AE next week will just be for FO seats and that in April it will be all the captain seats. Are we thinking just narrowbody FO seats next week for the pilots coming back, or could this include widebody FO seats? Widebody FO is the next step I am interested in. Are we thinking the widebody FO seats will be on the April bid?Thoughts?
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Old 02-28-2021, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by dodgerk View Post
I keep reading the opinion that the AE next week will just be for FO seats and that in April it will be all the captain seats. Are we thinking just narrowbody FO seats next week for the pilots coming back, or could this include widebody FO seats? Widebody FO is the next step I am interested in. Are we thinking the widebody FO seats will be on the April bid?Thoughts?
IMO, the next AE will really be for affected pilots.

WB B will be in the AE after that, which will also include WB A and many NB A, etc.

The effect being, as several other have pointed out, those who don’t want to stay NYC NB will get a seat lock on the second AE, and never train on the AE that returns them from affected status.

Again, my opinion only.
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Old 03-01-2021, 04:27 AM
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Logically, it only makes sense to post the WB As and Bs first. Then a clean up AE afterwards (but not much of a seat lock for the returning UNAs).
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Old 03-01-2021, 04:36 AM
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I could see the next AE being NYC220B positions only. It would be a paper bid just to assign affected pilots. The following bid would be the big 365 bid with a handful of 220 displacements because oops... Unless there’s something contractually preventing it. Cruel and unusual for sure but it would allow them to stack the training as the see fit. If this is as dire a situation as some think, then anything is possible.
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