Prepare Yourselves... 2021 AEs
#1062
Oof, that might put some people in a pickle if true...
Edit: just went to read the actual LOA language and I'm not sure where this one will fall. It basically says that the pilot will notify the company of their MD preferences or their request for a PLOA or their request for MLOA.
It specifically says the PLOA can be up to one year "or longer with company concurrence."
It doesn't explicitly say that the company will grant the PLOA no matter what, but it does seem to imply that the pilot has the choice of one of those 3 options.
Edit: just went to read the actual LOA language and I'm not sure where this one will fall. It basically says that the pilot will notify the company of their MD preferences or their request for a PLOA or their request for MLOA.
It specifically says the PLOA can be up to one year "or longer with company concurrence."
It doesn't explicitly say that the company will grant the PLOA no matter what, but it does seem to imply that the pilot has the choice of one of those 3 options.
In this case, the Company will post an announcement that they are exercising the recall of pilots via inverse assignment. Pilots will have 15 days to express their mandatory recall preferences via the Mandatory Displacement (MD) template in iCrew. In those 15 days, pilots will also have the option to opt-out and choose a PLOA for up to 12 months (or longer with Company concurrence) or take an MLOA.
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Q: If I have been recalled via inverse assignment and need more than 12 months before I return to Delta, will the Company grant me a PLOA for longer than 12 months?
A: The Company must award a requested PLOA of a year or less in this scenario. A longer PLOA may be granted with Company concurrence.
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Q: If I have been recalled via inverse assignment and need more than 12 months before I return to Delta, will the Company grant me a PLOA for longer than 12 months?
A: The Company must award a requested PLOA of a year or less in this scenario. A longer PLOA may be granted with Company concurrence.
#1063
Roll’n Thunder
Joined APC: Oct 2009
Position: Pilot
Posts: 3,509
A few people in my class are in that situation, having made commitments to other employers for the rest of this year. Negotiators' Notepads 20-12 and 20-13 contained the following (emphasis from the original):
But yeah, the obvious problem is the use of "request" in the LOA itself.
But yeah, the obvious problem is the use of "request" in the LOA itself.
#1064
I agree that the intent was that the one year PLOA was guaranteed if the pilot wanted it. Hopefully the company will abide by that, especially given how the safe money bet last fall was that the company wouldn't have even hit the bottom of the list to begin inverse assignments until this coming fall at the earliest...
#1065
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2017
Posts: 106
I agree that the intent was that the one year PLOA was guaranteed if the pilot wanted it. Hopefully the company will abide by that, especially given how the safe money bet last fall was that the company wouldn't have even hit the bottom of the list to begin inverse assignments until this coming fall at the earliest...
#1066
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2015
Position: LAX ER
Posts: 1,602
Is our staffing problem so bad that they will really force a couple hundred people to make a difficult decision to come back, 6 months after threatening to furlough them? I mean if so, then we will have needed to hire like as of yesterday so I just feel like it would be a lot easier on some folks who had to take other commitments to put food on the table have a break for 1 year and just hire those positions. Because let's be honest if they actually deny all these PLOA'S then like I said, we will be hiring anyways. I don't know how bad the situation is. Maybe it is bad and we will need to hire immediately. Certainly feels like some staffing shortages might be in our future...
#1067
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2008
Posts: 208
I keep reading the opinion that the AE next week will just be for FO seats and that in April it will be all the captain seats. Are we thinking just narrowbody FO seats next week for the pilots coming back, or could this include widebody FO seats? Widebody FO is the next step I am interested in. Are we thinking the widebody FO seats will be on the April bid?Thoughts?
#1068
I keep reading the opinion that the AE next week will just be for FO seats and that in April it will be all the captain seats. Are we thinking just narrowbody FO seats next week for the pilots coming back, or could this include widebody FO seats? Widebody FO is the next step I am interested in. Are we thinking the widebody FO seats will be on the April bid?Thoughts?
WB B will be in the AE after that, which will also include WB A and many NB A, etc.
The effect being, as several other have pointed out, those who don’t want to stay NYC NB will get a seat lock on the second AE, and never train on the AE that returns them from affected status.
Again, my opinion only.
#1070
I could see the next AE being NYC220B positions only. It would be a paper bid just to assign affected pilots. The following bid would be the big 365 bid with a handful of 220 displacements because oops... Unless there’s something contractually preventing it. Cruel and unusual for sure but it would allow them to stack the training as the see fit. If this is as dire a situation as some think, then anything is possible.
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