Prepare Yourselves... 2021 AEs
03-02-2021, 10:19 AM
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DYODD but I believe that BS stated in the Crew Resources town hall that all pilots who were awarded something in the previous AE will be treated as “active.” I’m sure they reserve the right to adjust training awards to minimize multiple events for pilots awarded 2 aircraft over two bids but, I believe that was what I heard. Again don’t take that for anymore than what you paid for this information.
03-02-2021, 10:26 AM
#1102
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Originally Posted by bronco21016
Charlie Foxtrot indeed....
I'm in the 1,700 affected pilots. I was awarded A220 on the last bid but haven't started training yet.
So I suppose I'm still "affected"? So this should mean that earliest training from the upcoming AE would be 30 days from posting? Also, if I'm still "affected" then I bid open positions with all other affected pilots being proffered positions and won't incur a seat lock afterwards? Meaning, I accepted proffer of A220, remain "affected" for this bid, bid A320 (for example), once converting to A320 I still do not have a seat lock?
I'm starting to think I royally screwed up. I booked a vacation in early April after I received my projected training of May. This could prove a costly mistake.
I'm in the 1,700 affected pilots. I was awarded A220 on the last bid but haven't started training yet.
So I suppose I'm still "affected"? So this should mean that earliest training from the upcoming AE would be 30 days from posting? Also, if I'm still "affected" then I bid open positions with all other affected pilots being proffered positions and won't incur a seat lock afterwards? Meaning, I accepted proffer of A220, remain "affected" for this bid, bid A320 (for example), once converting to A320 I still do not have a seat lock?
I'm starting to think I royally screwed up. I booked a vacation in early April after I received my projected training of May. This could prove a costly mistake.
As far as your vacation, I think you should be good. I don’t think you will go sooner than projected. Some of the pilots projected to convert April 1st didn’t make the conversion list.
03-02-2021, 10:30 AM
#1103
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Originally Posted by Gooner
DYODD but I believe that BS stated in the Crew Resources town hall that all pilots who were awarded something in the previous AE will be treated as “active.” I’m sure they reserve the right to adjust training awards to minimize multiple events for pilots awarded 2 aircraft over two bids but, I believe that was what I heard. Again don’t take that for anymore than what you paid for this information.
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03-02-2021, 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Gooner
DYODD but I believe that BS stated in the Crew Resources town hall that all pilots who were awarded something in the previous AE will be treated as “active.” I’m sure they reserve the right to adjust training awards to minimize multiple events for pilots awarded 2 aircraft over two bids but, I believe that was what I heard. Again don’t take that for anymore than what you paid for this information.
03-02-2021, 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by BCan
That’s not my understanding. I understood you don’t “lose” your award from the Jan AE to a more senior affected pilot on subsequent AEs. However, you wouldn’t have any advantage if you bid something on the next AE as you are still an affected pilot until day 1 of training. Affected vs active was spelled out relatively clearly on the LOA.
03-02-2021, 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Iceberg
I’m in a similar position. This may be wrong, but what I’ve gathered is as long as you haven’t trained/converted to your first proffered position you are still “affected” so you wouldn’t incur a lock from this upcoming AE.
03-02-2021, 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by NeverFlexTO
You are not wrong, it was posted on skynet with Clarification from Crew Resources that if you have not trained/converted you are an affected pilot. You are not active until you show up day 1 of training. This is why for bidding purposes on this next AE, pilots who have yet to go to training (affected) will not be allowed positions before those senior to them, due to them both being affected. If you indeed have started training (active) you will bid in front of all affected pilots. This has been clarified numerous times on skynet.
Anyone depending on sitting in class to be converted, make sure you ask contract admin for the intent of that language.
03-02-2021, 12:04 PM
#1108
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Originally Posted by 172skychicken
I'm not sure why this is still floating around. BS was literally shaking his head no before this question was even finished being asked on the townhall. If you were awarded a position on the Feb AE, it is yours unless you are specifically displaced out via a surplus bid.
For example; you get a NY220 that is your bridge to SLC220 on a later AE. You don’t “lose” your NY220 on subsequent AEs, but if you bid on SLC220 on the next AE, *and you have not started training*, you get awarded in affected pilot seniority order. You have no advantage since you have not started training. If you have started training, then you are ACTIVE and have an advantage over all affected pilots.
am I understanding?
03-02-2021, 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by BCan
I think that’s what I said...maybe not clearly? Not trying to be difficult, I’m in this situation. Yes, the award is yours, but you remain “affected” until you start training. So, if you were to be awarded something else on this next AE, you’re in the “affected” seniority bucket. In other words, you have no advantage to any senior affected pilot subsequent AEs.
For example; you get a NY220 that is your bridge to SLC220 on a later AE. You don’t “lose” your NY220 on subsequent AEs, but if you bid on SLC220 on the next AE, *and you have not started training*, you get awarded in affected pilot seniority order. You have no advantage since you have not started training. If you have started training, then you are ACTIVE and have an advantage over all affected pilots.
am I understanding?
For example; you get a NY220 that is your bridge to SLC220 on a later AE. You don’t “lose” your NY220 on subsequent AEs, but if you bid on SLC220 on the next AE, *and you have not started training*, you get awarded in affected pilot seniority order. You have no advantage since you have not started training. If you have started training, then you are ACTIVE and have an advantage over all affected pilots.
am I understanding?
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