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Old 03-05-2021, 05:52 AM   #1251  
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So what are the thoughts on the nature of the AE posted? The imbalances on the NB categories, some running 3:1 FO to CA, obviously aren't viable for operations. ATL717 looks the like the worst of the imbalances. While I do believe the company would love to have more pilots under a seat lock in order to limit some level of training for a time, that seems like actual chess master level planning, and manning projections and plans don't seem to look very far into the future, let alone scheming to lock pilots into seats.

The thought comes to mind, however, with the hinted CA and WB FO bid soon to follow:
1) Is the company really gunning for affected FOs to bid themselves into seat locks with the next bid?
2) Do the large FO vacancies portend CA openings in those categories to balance out?
A) Any idea on the number of displaced CAs that could exercise reinstatement, or can bid back to left seat because they don't have a seat lock from their MD?
B) Some of the FO openings seem incongruous with fleet size (717?), or previous drawdown (NYC73N), so what happens with these during a follow up bid? Gratuitous seatlock (717), go back to a larger category (NYC737), or?
3) How many of the affected pilots may end up bidding for their old seats, leading to SRQ?
4) How many pilots hadn't finished OE and would therefore require a full course? (200-300?)

BONUS: Bold predictions?
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Old 03-05-2021, 05:58 AM   #1252  
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So what are the thoughts on the nature of the AE posted? The imbalances on the NB categories, some running 3:1 FO to CA, obviously aren't viable for operations. ATL717 looks the like the worst of the imbalances. While I do believe the company would love to have more pilots under a seat lock in order to limit some level of training for a time, that seems like actual chess master level planning, and manning projections and plans don't seem to look very far into the future, let alone scheming to lock pilots into seats.

The thought comes to mind, however, with the hinted CA and WB FO bid soon to follow:
1) Is the company really gunning for affected FOs to bid themselves into seat locks with the next bid?
2) Do the large FO vacancies portend CA openings in those categories to balance out?
A) Any idea on the number of displaced CAs that could exercise reinstatement, or can bid back to left seat because they don't have a seat lock from their MD?
B) Some of the FO openings seem incongruous with fleet size (717?), or previous drawdown (NYC73N), so what happens with these during a follow up bid? Gratuitous seatlock (717), go back to a larger category (NYC737), or?
3) How many of the affected pilots may end up bidding for their old seats, leading to SRQ?
4) How many pilots hadn't finished OE and would therefore require a full course? (200-300?)

BONUS: Bold predictions?
I think you are correct that CR is shooting to seat lock as many of the affected as they can. I think blanket conversions for this AE the day before posting the big one so any changes result in a seat lock.

I don’t know about the training events breakdown.

Bold prediction: Too many seat locks = new hire WB pilots.
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Old 03-05-2021, 06:01 AM   #1253  
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So what are the thoughts on the nature of the AE posted? The imbalances on the NB categories, some running 3:1 FO to CA, obviously aren't viable for operations. ATL717 looks the like the worst of the imbalances. While I do believe the company would love to have more pilots under a seat lock in order to limit some level of training for a time, that seems like actual chess master level planning, and manning projections and plans don't seem to look very far into the future, let alone scheming to lock pilots into seats.

The thought comes to mind, however, with the hinted CA and WB FO bid soon to follow:
4) How many pilots hadn't finished OE and would therefore require a full course? (200-300?)

BONUS: Bold predictions?
Everyone hired 2/10 has not done IOE, not sure about the 2/3 class. When the Jan 2020 AE was cancelled, everyone in 2/10 or later lost their seat and got sent home from whatever phase of training they were in.

I think this number is ~250 pilots.
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Everyone hired 2/10 has not done IOE, not sure about the 2/3 class. When the Jan 2020 AE was cancelled, everyone in 2/10 or later lost their seat and got sent home from whatever phase of training they were in.



I think this number is ~250 pilots.


About 100 of us never finished indoc. Idk how that is going to work.


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About 100 of us never finished indoc. Idk how that is going to work.


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Well, you'll get a hotel, 717 hourly rates, and no probation, so there's that.

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Well, you'll get a hotel, 717 hourly rates, and no probation, so there's that.

And 2nd year pay. Also, massive movement that wasn’t accounted before. I think next bid will be crazy, maybe around 1500-1600 WB and CA positions. I think that bid will be bigger than the 2017 MOAB.
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I finished indoc but I was the last class and everything was falling apart everyday. Was impossible.to pay attention. Would be nice to get a refresher...
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Old 03-05-2021, 06:46 AM   #1258  
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I finished indoc but I was the last class and everything was falling apart everyday. Was impossible.to pay attention. Would be nice to get a refresher...
You didn't miss anything
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Old 03-05-2021, 06:49 AM   #1259  
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I finished indoc but I was the last class and everything was falling apart everyday. Was impossible.to pay attention. Would be nice to get a refresher...
Indoc is more about the Koolaid. I would imagine you’ve either been assimilated or the company will admit your class is lost to their influence. Expect a welcome back video sent to your email, some vague instructions on your sim assignment and you will be taught through second hand knowledge of instructors and the school of personal mistakes that we all learned.

Welcome to Delta, it really is a great place with wonderful crews.
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I finished indoc but I was the last class and everything was falling apart everyday. Was impossible.to pay attention. Would be nice to get a refresher...
The important part, the FOM, is discussed for a couple of hours.

You’re not missing anything, really. Just go and read the FOM out the iPad.
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