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Old 04-03-2021, 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7 View Post
What fleet are yall on that top 20% still results in crappy sked? 320? 717?

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I’m at about 12% and schedules in 2021 aren’t crappy. 2018 I was about 20% maybe a little less, and the reroute machine was going pretty good.

Can’t speak for fish for fun but yeah I am not NYC based and have spent my 5.5 year DL career on the old AirTran workhorse. So this AE something is gonna change. Not sure what I’m gonna do though.
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Old 04-03-2021, 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted by TegridyFarms View Post
Can’t speak for fish for fun but yeah I am not NYC based and have spent my 5.5 year DL career on the old AirTran workhorse. So this AE something is gonna change. Not sure what I’m gonna do though.
Yeah 717 trips are garbage from top to bottom. Seniority on that fleet roughly determines days off.

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Old 04-03-2021, 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Go Cards go View Post
Pretty much anything in NYC. I was top 20% on the 73 and got the heck out of there. Once I realized there was not a single trip in the bid package that I wanted to fly I left for worse relative seniority but better trips.
Whoa. Top 20% on the 73 in NYC yields lots of good options. 8+ hr turns, 2-3 day trips with one or two legs. Plenty of Beach and all inclusive layover options. Biggest issue would be commutability which is what I'm guessing drove you out

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Old 04-03-2021, 05:48 AM
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Thanks. Imagine having a CEO that wants to run an airline.
such a novel concept...

I will say I’m almost positive there is no way their deal would have passed here. But our flight ops management was Adversarial from day one while ALPA and management seemed to be working more together there. that’s just an outsiders perspective, could be totally wrong.

I wonder if our leadership had worked constructively with ALPA and exhausted other measures (cough *what’s a SIL* cough) if our group would have been willing to talk ALV cuts.
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Old 04-03-2021, 05:51 AM
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Kirby??? Nah...that guys is the same as Parker. They did furloughed a lot of FAs and other workers.

Pilots just got lucky.
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Old 04-03-2021, 05:52 AM
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Company must be cashflow positive again as Inverse assignment with Conflict and Greenslip with Conflict are being handed out like Candy. Profit Sharing 2021 has arrived for plenty of folks with availability

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Old 04-03-2021, 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond View Post
I don't disagree that reroutes suck, but your pipe dream is about as likely as me playing in the NFL. The only one you might get close to is the shortened layover by more than 2 hours.

I'm not being a company guy here, but if they had to pay all those things at double pay, they would have no flexibility and it is necessary for them to have some to run the airline. BUT... they have abused it no doubt. What if those reroute legs were pay no credit? It might amount to the same thing actually, so it might not work either. It was just off the top of my head. It would be an interesting discussion.
Unfortunately the abuse is and was synonymous as normal ops and a scheduling tool. My take...while I don't want to be rerouted, I understand the company needs to sometimes keep the operation running. If they need me to do it...that's fine, but I need to be properly compensated. I have a strong feeling most pilots would go ahead and accept a reroute willingly if double pay started coming into play. Also...if the reason why the company needs "flexibility " is self imposed because their crusade to eliminate credit and create absurd rotations destinated to fail are the norm...well I have zero patience with trying to by a team player because they are being bad faith actors. Reroute language is arguably my most important concern next contract with regards to QOL item bucket lists.
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Old 04-03-2021, 06:04 AM
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I'm not being a company guy here, but if they had to pay all those things at double pay, they would have no flexibility and it is necessary for them to have some to run the airline.
The double pay for all of those things only gets expensive if you aren’t properly manned. I see such double pay penalties as financial incentive to actually carry adequate reserves - and THAT is where the company gets the flexibility to run the airline. They currently believe they have the flexibility to just plus up on premium pay to cover IROPs, holidays and other anomalies (e.g. covid vaccination NFLYs), but I think this pending fourth holiday disaster of evidence of their error.

Management can’t stomach the idea of reserve pilots being “paid to sit at home”... some day they may wake up to the fact that that is actually a necessity for schedule integrity.
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Old 04-03-2021, 06:15 AM
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The double pay for all of those things only gets expensive if you aren’t properly manned. I see such double pay penalties as financial incentive to actually carry adequate reserves - and THAT is where the company gets the flexibility to run the airline. They currently believe they have the flexibility to just plus up on premium pay to cover IROPs, holidays and other anomalies (e.g. covid vaccination NFLYs), but I think this pending fourth holiday disaster of evidence of their error.

Management can’t stomach the idea of reserve pilots being “paid to sit at home”... some day they may wake up to the fact that that is actually a necessity for schedule integrity.
That’s how swa staffs their airline, if I’m not mistaken. They bank on everyone working their days off to keep trips covered and it seems to work.
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Old 04-03-2021, 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7 View Post
What fleet are yall on that top 20% still results in crappy sked? 320? 717?

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320. Best I can hope for is weekends/holidays off but 5am reports with 2-4 legs with :55-1:05 turns between and the cherry on that day, a plane swap at every stop because they can’t turn planes that fast but they can they can turn a crew. Then get to the hotel with nothing open so good luck food. Going through ATL? Here’s your reroute. I am fully aware it just is whining but you can’t tell me the QoL is different on different fleets. And that all of this is self inflicted. When I got on the 320 about 3 years ago, I was 100% commutable and no 10 hour layovers.

Just to add some fuel to the fire, today we have 20+ trips in open time for tomorrow and 5 for TODAY.
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