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Old 04-23-2021, 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by 20Fathoms View Post
Copy, thanks for the response. If you get me for IQ be gentle!
just pm me when you get your schedule
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Old 04-23-2021, 07:56 AM
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The domestic schedule went to sh1t when Gumm optimized it. It was a distinct change on the 320 from one month to the next once it happened. There are a few OK trips but if you just looked in open time for April you would see the garbage that was left over. 0500 report, 24 hours in MEX and 2300 return. I can imagine the fleets with longer legs doing crappy transcons. I started seeing more of those on the 765 fleet and held off for the 330. I actually haven’t been this excited about work in a long time. Can’t wait to leave the domestic grind behind for a while.
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Old 04-23-2021, 09:07 AM
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Vacation bid question:

I switched aircraft this last bid and enjoyed a pretty good seniority bump. I also bid to convert after junior. The question is, if I don’t convert to my new aircraft until 2022, do I bid vacation come January on my current airframe or the airframe I should convert to in 2022?
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Old 04-23-2021, 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15 View Post
I get what you are saying, but I'll bet the LCA's will disagree with the sentiment...
yep, I certainly don’t envy the LCA who has to fly with me and hundreds like me who have not flown a jet in a year-18 months.

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In all seriousness, they've had a pretty stressful year, and although they may all be on 717 year-2 pay currently, it was still a long stint on newhire pay for some, I would imagine. "Starting" off-probation seems like a pretty small consolation prize for what they've been through on the whole. Cue the pile-ons from those who will tell you they really had it tough when..., totally missing the point.
yeah, 2020 and NBCNEW pay for 9-10 months was not fun but it beats the hell out of the alternative. I appreciate the fact ALPA came up with a safety net for us and membership ratified it. (Even though CARES2,3 prevented it from being necessary, we did not know that at the time) some have had it better than me, many have had it worse, I appreciate that it was as good as it was and hopefully we can bring the new hire pay up in the future

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The important thing is it seems the worst is well behind us all, and it's blue skies going forward. Even if there is another "wave", the no-furlough provisions protect everyone on the list through 1 Nov 2022. The last AE was had more movement than we will likely ever see again.
I tend to agree, however I think (hope) the movement is just getting started, I think we will see lots of opportunities as we (hopefully) try to get back to our pre pandemic size.
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Old 04-23-2021, 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Humboldt View Post
Vacation bid question:

I switched aircraft this last bid and enjoyed a pretty good seniority bump. I also bid to convert after junior. The question is, if I don’t convert to my new aircraft until 2022, do I bid vacation come January on my current airframe or the airframe I should convert to in 2022?
You will bid for 2022-2023 vacation based on the category you hold on 31Jan22. See 7.C 3.
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Old 04-23-2021, 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by tcco94 View Post
So I'm a pretty young new hire, live in SLC. I'm 85 or so from bottom. Missed SLC by one or so, went with a dream bid of 7ER out of LAX and got it. Seems a lot of people complain about the flying as you said. I haven't flown in over 1 year, coming from junior line as a regional captain. What's the issue with the "ugly" flying as said? Is it the overnight length and red eyes? This will be my first airplane at Delta and from the trips I see this will be a huge QOL boost from my previous flying (pre-pandemic). But I don't know what I don't know. I do understand someones trash is another man's treasure and don't want to fall in the habits of a new pilot falling for the shiny jet syndrome and such. I guess I'll see but still the flying I've seen and expect doesn't seem too horrible to me. Not enough for me to regret my bid. Even with the dying fleet thing.... Unless we expect that to be a dramatic changing in 2 years, but based on the bid it feels like that's not the case.

And I'll be off the fleet and on the 320 back home in SLC before I see the end days or 7ER or dwindling days. Maybe my optimism on that? I've read this thread on the bad trips and looked them up in open time and such. I just still don't see some of the bad or ugly flying. But my perspective of commuting to NYC220 vs LAX7ER seems like a huge QOL improvement and furthermore excitement for trips/work.
Based on your post you’re going to love it. And rightly so.

Next, you may realize that these forums are a good source of entertainment and a terrible resource for making life decisions. Enjoy the ride and welcome to the family; sorry for the bumpy start but it’s going to be great!
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Old 04-23-2021, 03:17 PM
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No apology necessary amigo. You were probably not the only one that didn't know that. It's all good.
so TOE used to just be to the European mainland/islands?
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Old 04-24-2021, 05:15 AM
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so TOE used to just be to the European mainland/islands?
The whole purpose of TOE was to gain exposure to the NATs. The best scenario was to get a flight that transited both Gander and Shanwick OCAs because it was the most 'difficult' handoff due to the HF component. OF course if you did it from ATL, you were in the rack well before track entry. That wasn't the only reason. You clowns (joking) don't know how easy it is now. Back when dinosaurs roamed the earth we had to do post position plots and make an HF position report every 10 degrees of longitude. At least we didn't carry navigators and do cel shots. Of course Big Brother wasn't watching your MCP so you could get away with a little ziggy around a thunderstorm. Now you BETTER tell them or get violated. Of course Lindbergh didn't have to talk to anybody. Actually the history of Trans Oceanic flight is pretty fascinating.

It is getting 'easier' in the tracks due to communication and GPS. I will bet within the next 5 to 10 years it won't be any different than a domestic flight.
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Old 04-24-2021, 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond View Post
The whole purpose of TOE was to gain exposure to the NATs. The best scenario was to get a flight that transited both Gander and Shanwick OCAs because it was the most 'difficult' handoff due to the HF component. OF course if you did it from ATL, you were in the rack well before track entry. That wasn't the only reason. You clowns (joking) don't know how easy it is now. Back when dinosaurs roamed the earth we had to do post position plots and make an HF position report every 10 degrees of longitude. At least we didn't carry navigators and do cel shots. Of course Big Brother wasn't watching your MCP so you could get away with a little ziggy around a thunderstorm. Now you BETTER tell them or get violated. Of course Lindbergh didn't have to talk to anybody. Actually the history of Trans Oceanic flight is pretty fascinating.

It is getting 'easier' in the tracks due to communication and GPS. I will bet within the next 5 to 10 years it won't be any different than a domestic flight.
Except weather, as rare as it is, is still a lone wolf emergency procedure.
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Old 04-24-2021, 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond View Post
The whole purpose of TOE was to gain exposure to the NATs. The best scenario was to get a flight that transited both Gander and Shanwick OCAs because it was the most 'difficult' handoff due to the HF component. OF course if you did it from ATL, you were in the rack well before track entry. That wasn't the only reason. You clowns (joking) don't know how easy it is now. Back when dinosaurs roamed the earth we had to do post position plots and make an HF position report every 10 degrees of longitude. At least we didn't carry navigators and do cel shots. Of course Big Brother wasn't watching your MCP so you could get away with a little ziggy around a thunderstorm. Now you BETTER tell them or get violated. Of course Lindbergh didn't have to talk to anybody. Actually the history of Trans Oceanic flight is pretty fascinating.

It is getting 'easier' in the tracks due to communication and GPS. I will bet within the next 5 to 10 years it won't be any different than a domestic flight.
I remember poking my head up front after landing in a NW DC-10 at Gatwick probably 20 years ago, skipper gave me the charts for perusal. Definitely a different world.
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