Prepare Yourselves... 2021 AEs
#2562
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Joined APC: Aug 2011
Position: Hoping for any position
Posts: 2,488
The domestic schedule went to sh1t when Gumm optimized it. It was a distinct change on the 320 from one month to the next once it happened. There are a few OK trips but if you just looked in open time for April you would see the garbage that was left over. 0500 report, 24 hours in MEX and 2300 return. I can imagine the fleets with longer legs doing crappy transcons. I started seeing more of those on the 765 fleet and held off for the 330. I actually haven’t been this excited about work in a long time. Can’t wait to leave the domestic grind behind for a while.
#2563
Vacation bid question:
I switched aircraft this last bid and enjoyed a pretty good seniority bump. I also bid to convert after junior. The question is, if I don’t convert to my new aircraft until 2022, do I bid vacation come January on my current airframe or the airframe I should convert to in 2022?
I switched aircraft this last bid and enjoyed a pretty good seniority bump. I also bid to convert after junior. The question is, if I don’t convert to my new aircraft until 2022, do I bid vacation come January on my current airframe or the airframe I should convert to in 2022?
#2564
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Joined APC: Sep 2015
Position: UNA
Posts: 4,408
In all seriousness, they've had a pretty stressful year, and although they may all be on 717 year-2 pay currently, it was still a long stint on newhire pay for some, I would imagine. "Starting" off-probation seems like a pretty small consolation prize for what they've been through on the whole. Cue the pile-ons from those who will tell you they really had it tough when..., totally missing the point.
The important thing is it seems the worst is well behind us all, and it's blue skies going forward. Even if there is another "wave", the no-furlough provisions protect everyone on the list through 1 Nov 2022. The last AE was had more movement than we will likely ever see again.
#2565
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Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 3,117
Vacation bid question:
I switched aircraft this last bid and enjoyed a pretty good seniority bump. I also bid to convert after junior. The question is, if I don’t convert to my new aircraft until 2022, do I bid vacation come January on my current airframe or the airframe I should convert to in 2022?
I switched aircraft this last bid and enjoyed a pretty good seniority bump. I also bid to convert after junior. The question is, if I don’t convert to my new aircraft until 2022, do I bid vacation come January on my current airframe or the airframe I should convert to in 2022?
#2566
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Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: Big ones
Posts: 696
So I'm a pretty young new hire, live in SLC. I'm 85 or so from bottom. Missed SLC by one or so, went with a dream bid of 7ER out of LAX and got it. Seems a lot of people complain about the flying as you said. I haven't flown in over 1 year, coming from junior line as a regional captain. What's the issue with the "ugly" flying as said? Is it the overnight length and red eyes? This will be my first airplane at Delta and from the trips I see this will be a huge QOL boost from my previous flying (pre-pandemic). But I don't know what I don't know. I do understand someones trash is another man's treasure and don't want to fall in the habits of a new pilot falling for the shiny jet syndrome and such. I guess I'll see but still the flying I've seen and expect doesn't seem too horrible to me. Not enough for me to regret my bid. Even with the dying fleet thing.... Unless we expect that to be a dramatic changing in 2 years, but based on the bid it feels like that's not the case.
And I'll be off the fleet and on the 320 back home in SLC before I see the end days or 7ER or dwindling days. Maybe my optimism on that? I've read this thread on the bad trips and looked them up in open time and such. I just still don't see some of the bad or ugly flying. But my perspective of commuting to NYC220 vs LAX7ER seems like a huge QOL improvement and furthermore excitement for trips/work.
And I'll be off the fleet and on the 320 back home in SLC before I see the end days or 7ER or dwindling days. Maybe my optimism on that? I've read this thread on the bad trips and looked them up in open time and such. I just still don't see some of the bad or ugly flying. But my perspective of commuting to NYC220 vs LAX7ER seems like a huge QOL improvement and furthermore excitement for trips/work.
Next, you may realize that these forums are a good source of entertainment and a terrible resource for making life decisions. Enjoy the ride and welcome to the family; sorry for the bumpy start but it’s going to be great!
#2567
#2568
The whole purpose of TOE was to gain exposure to the NATs. The best scenario was to get a flight that transited both Gander and Shanwick OCAs because it was the most 'difficult' handoff due to the HF component. OF course if you did it from ATL, you were in the rack well before track entry. That wasn't the only reason. You clowns (joking) don't know how easy it is now. Back when dinosaurs roamed the earth we had to do post position plots and make an HF position report every 10 degrees of longitude. At least we didn't carry navigators and do cel shots. Of course Big Brother wasn't watching your MCP so you could get away with a little ziggy around a thunderstorm. Now you BETTER tell them or get violated. Of course Lindbergh didn't have to talk to anybody. Actually the history of Trans Oceanic flight is pretty fascinating.
It is getting 'easier' in the tracks due to communication and GPS. I will bet within the next 5 to 10 years it won't be any different than a domestic flight.
It is getting 'easier' in the tracks due to communication and GPS. I will bet within the next 5 to 10 years it won't be any different than a domestic flight.
#2569
The whole purpose of TOE was to gain exposure to the NATs. The best scenario was to get a flight that transited both Gander and Shanwick OCAs because it was the most 'difficult' handoff due to the HF component. OF course if you did it from ATL, you were in the rack well before track entry. That wasn't the only reason. You clowns (joking) don't know how easy it is now. Back when dinosaurs roamed the earth we had to do post position plots and make an HF position report every 10 degrees of longitude. At least we didn't carry navigators and do cel shots. Of course Big Brother wasn't watching your MCP so you could get away with a little ziggy around a thunderstorm. Now you BETTER tell them or get violated. Of course Lindbergh didn't have to talk to anybody. Actually the history of Trans Oceanic flight is pretty fascinating.
It is getting 'easier' in the tracks due to communication and GPS. I will bet within the next 5 to 10 years it won't be any different than a domestic flight.
It is getting 'easier' in the tracks due to communication and GPS. I will bet within the next 5 to 10 years it won't be any different than a domestic flight.
#2570
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Joined APC: Apr 2020
Posts: 2,174
The whole purpose of TOE was to gain exposure to the NATs. The best scenario was to get a flight that transited both Gander and Shanwick OCAs because it was the most 'difficult' handoff due to the HF component. OF course if you did it from ATL, you were in the rack well before track entry. That wasn't the only reason. You clowns (joking) don't know how easy it is now. Back when dinosaurs roamed the earth we had to do post position plots and make an HF position report every 10 degrees of longitude. At least we didn't carry navigators and do cel shots. Of course Big Brother wasn't watching your MCP so you could get away with a little ziggy around a thunderstorm. Now you BETTER tell them or get violated. Of course Lindbergh didn't have to talk to anybody. Actually the history of Trans Oceanic flight is pretty fascinating.
It is getting 'easier' in the tracks due to communication and GPS. I will bet within the next 5 to 10 years it won't be any different than a domestic flight.
It is getting 'easier' in the tracks due to communication and GPS. I will bet within the next 5 to 10 years it won't be any different than a domestic flight.
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