Prepare Yourselves... 2021 AEs
01-13-2021, 04:38 AM
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Originally Posted by 3 green
Delta cannot even staff the planes now with no furloughs..If they had furloughed, I can't even imagine how many more flights would have canceled due to no crew. So yes, I think the threat of a furlough was all for show. They were trying to get concessions knowing no furloughs were really coming.
But there's so many "but consider this, and also that...." that no one (either of us included) can really make a firm statement. In fact, absent money from the feds I wonder if any domestic airlines would be flying at all right now.
01-13-2021, 04:47 AM
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Originally Posted by 3 green
Delta cannot even staff the planes now with no furloughs..If they had furloughed, I can't even imagine how many more flights would have canceled due to no crew. So yes, I think the threat of a furlough was all for show. They were trying to get concessions knowing no furloughs were really coming.
01-13-2021, 05:41 AM
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Q4 earnings report on Thursday Jan 14 (tomorrow). That should provide insight into current cash burn. I believe the original target was to be "neutral" by winter; pretty sure that wasn't achievable.
Going to take at least 4-6 months for 90% vaccinations, and that's just in the US. That'll be at the end of the summer flying season.
Love the idea of full recalls and hiring new pilots; I'll settle for a viable business model that sees us intact through 2022, hopefully without bailouts being needed.
Going to take at least 4-6 months for 90% vaccinations, and that's just in the US. That'll be at the end of the summer flying season.
Love the idea of full recalls and hiring new pilots; I'll settle for a viable business model that sees us intact through 2022, hopefully without bailouts being needed.
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01-13-2021, 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by blue vortex
Sorry but I read the newsletter and did not see anything foreshadowing any type of maximum training. This the the best line I found:
”we’re gearing up to serve the pilots. Training capability will be the driver of our recovery: We are removing training constraints where we can.”
”we’re gearing up to serve the pilots. Training capability will be the driver of our recovery: We are removing training constraints where we can.”
01-13-2021, 06:15 AM
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Originally Posted by 3 green
Delta cannot even staff the planes now with no furloughs..If they had furloughed, I can't even imagine how many more flights would have canceled due to no crew. So yes, I think the threat of a furlough was all for show. They were trying to get concessions knowing no furloughs were really coming.
True, but between the early outs and UNAs we have as many Pilots not flying as DAL would have furloughed. The difference between this situation and previous thrill rides along our aviation career is that no Pilots were furloughed. A similar number of Pilots were taken off the line through the above mentioned programs.
UCAL with a much more comprehensive deal on the UNA side has all/most of there junior Pilots available and producing. Our management team either dropped the ball planning wise or had conflicting priorities which precluded a more operationally productive and flexible arrangement.
Absent the government money we would probably be in a similar situation manning wise but with zero VEOPs and UNAs and thousands of furloughs.
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01-13-2021, 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
True, but between the early outs and UNAs we have as many Pilots not flying as DAL would have furloughed. The difference between this situation and previous thrill rides along our aviation career is that no Pilots were furloughed. A similar number of Pilots were taken off the line through the above mentioned programs.
UCAL with a much more comprehensive deal on the UNA side has all/most of there junior Pilots available and producing. Our management team either dropped the ball planning wise or had conflicting priorities which precluded a more operationally productive and flexible arrangement.
Absent the government money we would probably be in a similar situation manning wise but with zero VEOPs and UNAs and thousands of furloughs.
Scoop
UCAL with a much more comprehensive deal on the UNA side has all/most of there junior Pilots available and producing. Our management team either dropped the ball planning wise or had conflicting priorities which precluded a more operationally productive and flexible arrangement.
Absent the government money we would probably be in a similar situation manning wise but with zero VEOPs and UNAs and thousands of furloughs.
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01-13-2021, 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by blue vortex
Sorry but I read the newsletter and did not see anything foreshadowing any type of maximum training. This the the best line I found:
”we’re gearing up to serve the pilots. Training capability will be the driver of our recovery: We are removing training constraints where we can.”
The rest just mentions reorganization of fleet chiefs and the new flap extension procedure.
”we’re gearing up to serve the pilots. Training capability will be the driver of our recovery: We are removing training constraints where we can.”
The rest just mentions reorganization of fleet chiefs and the new flap extension procedure.
Originally Posted by Crown
fully agree. I saw nothing in there indicating we're ready to ramp up to full capacity bring everyone back hire off the street. It's almost like they are admitting they were vastly understaffed in the years pre-Covid and are getting a team in place for WHEN we ramp up, whenever that will be
2021 promises to be busier than 2020...and it’s because we’re about to reverse course and start the recovery. There will be high expectations on our group to move pilots back into flight deck seats, and we’re gearing up to serve the pilots. Training capability will be the driver of our recovery: We are removing training constraints where we can, ensuring we’re adequately staffed, putting training devices in place, etc. We thank you in advance for your professional approach to your job whether you’re attendin
01-13-2021, 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotBases
Yes 20-04 putting affected pilots onto sometime similar to 20-03 no fly lines, but qualifying them to at least be able to pick up would have made sense. Could have helped when schedule crunches happen.
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01-13-2021, 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
At a minimum, that indicates they expect Affected Pilots will start to be recalled soon, some maybe for summer ‘21. Agree OTS hires are probably a year away best case though.
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