I'm at mandatory retirement from the reserves 1 NOV, unless they grant continuation. I'm currently a 24 year LCDR (20 commissioned), and while I applied for continuation, haven't heard anything back from BUPERS on it.

If you bypass, pretty sure your pay stops? Or is there a provision to still get paid after bypassing? I'd think your only option is switching to MLOA.

no, if you bypass you continue to get 30 hrs, once they get to the bottom of the list they go back in inverse seniority order, that’s when pay stops.

Affected Pilots can bypass recall and continue the 30 hrs/month until all affected pilots are offered recall

thanks, clearly i missed that provision.

lol

Some of y'all always be doomin'

That’s way better than MLOA, where all you get is your 401k input... seems like a no brainer to bypass, especially if you are on 7 month orders that are unlikely to get curtailed anyway. So what am I missing?

Reckon so.

But I am no ways jumping for joy over this future we are staring down.

You take care. Hopefully you have good enough seniority to ride it out.

Got a bro, similar timeline/background as you, Air Force. They extended him.

He's in the right billet for his skill set and they are hurting for people with his expertise.

I'm sure you'll get extended. You have until Nov 21 to sort it out.

Again, I'd stay on orders as long as they let you.

Thank you and Jodady too!

So if someone bypasses or only bids a certain aircraft/base and doesn’t get anything do they go right to 30 hours, or do they still get the ALV guarantee until the end of March then go on 30 hours?

The only reason to not bypass is if they don't do another AE until say December 2021.

I assume that you stay on UNA pay til March but you know what they say about assuming

I knew there was something. There is a risk. Good luck.

BTW, does the navy reserve have guys who “trough”, or “troughers”? Guys/gals who are purely part time piecing together sets of orders? Guard and Reserve have often had enough need, where one could scrape orders to get a full, or nearly full (mil) paycheck.

My squadron XO does that, but his wife is the primary breadwinner.

Last couple of years its been hard to get orders. I did 90 days running COVID response but that nuked our budget for FY21.

My problem is I can't do any long term orders after the current set. Mandatory retirement in November unless they grant me continuation.

If they do grant it out to 22 or 25 years commissioned service, I'm considered a sanctuary risk and any orders over 14 days or 29 in a FY require a one star to authorize.

Brother in law is ANG. They have no problem with guys getting an active retirement .

Navy has a big heartache with it.

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When is seniority ever good enough?

Since they had one last May, would they not have to wait until after May of this year?

Anyway, AE is out...no surprises, all FO and NB/Domestic.

it’s once per calendar year.

PWA 22.D.11

I'm sure you saw this, but the AE memo just put out today says they "could post a larger bid in Q2 2021". They have to bring back ~800 "affected pilots" between this summer and next just to keep even with attrition and the lower TLV. Good luck.

It really helps to have even some small information out of CR, life doesn't exist in a vacuum, and I for one appreciate the small insights into what 'they' are thinking...

Just read it as well. Great to finally get some official insight rather than rumors. Poor Bob has been muzzled worse than Fauci under Trump. If the vaccine deployment goes as planned we should see a return to some sort of normalcy in the fall. What a staffing mess we will have.

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Right now I'm strongly leaning towards the bypass and hope for another AE before July-August, and re-evaluate from there.

I saw that he was hopeful for another AE in q2. Isn’t q2 March to June?

April-June. The AE he describes will definitely be happening. Like he said, 800 pilots just to stay the same size as this summer which will be woefully small.

In the airlines, never. 9/11, Covid, oil spikes, airline deregulation, hostile takeovers, rotten CEO's...this whole business model is built on a house of cards. Airplane graveyards are littered with carriers so dominant they couldn't possibly fail.

There's a reason the old guys tell the young guys to have a backup plan/career.

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Based on the AE, I'm guessing there will be some ample opportunity for FO's across most fleets/bases to greenslip to their hearts content.

This summer is going to be redline again..

What's strange as well is that the AF reserve will issue orders over the sanctuary time limits along with some waiver whereby the member waives sanctuary. I had a buddy who is reserve retired with 24.5yrs of service (didn't join the AF reserve until leaving the AD Navy at 15yrs) and is waiting for age 58 so he can start collecting as 06/24.5yrs retirement.
Never heard of the Navy offering orders with member waiving sanctuary.

Do we have the training capacity to get everyone requalified, current and or trained in 5 months?

I noticed in the email from BS he said we do because of E period utilization. 😳:eek:

"I so good, I can fly this thing in my sleep!" was never meant to be taken literally.

I’m in the same boat as you...slightly junior. I’m going to hold off for quite a bit for two reasons:
First, the extra months of mil pay with 30 hours pay is more money than junior plug making ALV in some NYC category. I’ll definitely be working some away.
Secondly, I’m pretty confident most, if not all affected pilots will need to come back before the LOA 30 hours stops (it goes to April 2020 now).
Finally, I’m kinda hoping to take a proffer just before my mil leave expires, take a month of mil leave which gets me 2 more PS passes and will also get me out of E periods.
YMMV. BWYW/WWYB.

BS also put out a video today on skyhub, and has a little more granularity. He says a “much larger AE” in May or Jun, with Captain and WB positions, to start to staff for summer ‘22.

True, but that’s only for Affected Pilots per LOA 20-04. Training them in this AE will allow them to catch up a little for this summer as a result of having the E periods not otherwise available to them. I would fully expect to be doing a LOT of E periods if you are an affected pilot. As in, almost exclusively.

I read all that as a tacit acknowledgment they know they are behind the curve big time.

Saw that as well. However, looking at the ER sim schedule we have a lot of empty sim time. Haven't checked the other fleets, but it seems the limiting factor is instructors.

It's going to be beyond redline. I have my popcorn and slips ready.

Also have my statement ready when inevitably other employee groups ask me about pilot staffing

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Man, at my last regional I had IPTs (200 series equivalent) from 2-6 AM it was brutal!

Man...if I would have realized just how tough it is to work/train/fly for an international carrier, I would have gone into teaching.......9-4, not only every weekend off but holidays and summer’s to boot.

Eff that short term pain for long term gain. I’ll never say that to my kids.

Haha my Dad was a teacher, he told me not to become a teacher!

Ditto. But then again, he thought it was obscene how much money I made and how little I worked. I guess that’s what they call perspective:D

If you are planning on bypassing be aware that on future bids all pilots who have come back will be processed via AE before affected pilots are proffered positions. So a pilot who is junior to you but did not bypass will get first choice of available spots and you could be stuck as NYC220B.

That could easily be the highest paying B (even many A) slot in the system.

I saw it the opposite. 400 FOs coming back now and maybe another 800 later but no new Capts. Seems like the green slips are going to be skewed to the Capt side if anything.