Coming back from medical leave - seniority?
05-02-2021, 01:58 AM
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Originally Posted by buckleyboy
Perhaps a dumb question, but does Faulkner have to clear a pilot even if he is not the pilot’s AME?
05-02-2021, 02:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Sputnik
Congrats man, welcome back. I had about 48 hours.
I would plan on getting a call very soon after Faulkner clears you. Considering how saturated the training dept is, may take longer. Especially if you need a full course. But I wouldn't count on it.
I would plan on getting a call very soon after Faulkner clears you. Considering how saturated the training dept is, may take longer. Especially if you need a full course. But I wouldn't count on it.
05-02-2021, 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by buckleyboy
Perhaps a dumb question, but does Faulkner have to clear a pilot even if he is not the pilot’s AME?
Approval is required for any medical absence of 4 months or more. It’s normally just a paperwork formality, and if he has any questions it’s usually to make sure people are taking enough time off and not rushing a return.
05-02-2021, 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by bugman61
Approval is required for any medical absence of 4 months or more. It’s normally just a paperwork formality, and if he has any questions it’s usually to make sure people are taking enough time off and not rushing a return.
I definitely would not be prepared for a sim within 48 hours if I were miraculously better tomorrow!
05-02-2021, 12:30 PM
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I'm in the situation covered in 13.C.2.a.Exception: My category went away while I was out. I've got all my ducks in a row for a RTW this Thursday. I'm right there with buckleyboy...there is no way I'd be ready for an ESV in 48 hours.
Any ideas on wait time for full courses for the 320, 330 or 73N - all B?
Any ideas on wait time for full courses for the 320, 330 or 73N - all B?
05-02-2021, 01:27 PM
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I’m guessing anyone who got 48 hour notice from submitting their medical to starting in the sims went back to the same equipment, and was out less than 12 months. Regardless, I’ll bet they didn’t need a full IQ. Maybe even just qualified for a RECY sim.
FOM 20.12 has some info for what is required when, and the DIG will tell you what your “course” will consist of. For example, if you were out less than 36 months and going back to the same equipment, it’s a Normal Requal (~9-12 days), while under 12 months is a special requal (~3-4 days).
However, If you return to different equipment, you will have to do the SuccessFactors academics, which they have to give you time to complete. (New hires get a full week…) And obviously you will get a full IQ. Even in “normal” times it was usually a couple weeks for all the moving parts to come together after your RTW (return to work) and IQ start. In Covid times, who knows? Could be months… Plus, as we transition toward normal, data points will get stale quickly.
One of the good deals about coming back from disability over 6 months: you can select any category for which there was an AE at your seniority level while out. PWA 13.C.2.b. Less than 6 months, you go back where you were, unless the category was closed. In that case you can go anywhere your seniority can hold.
Good luck!
*Edit*. Just saw captkdobbs post. Again, I’d wager the absolute soonest will be a couple of weeks. It will take that long to get the academics loaded, and for the training planners to find/build you a spot. With all the NQAT folks, you are just another log on the big pile right now, so I wouldn’t be suprised if it was a couple of months. It seems like everything is operating slower than normal right now, especially on the NB fleets.
FOM 20.12 has some info for what is required when, and the DIG will tell you what your “course” will consist of. For example, if you were out less than 36 months and going back to the same equipment, it’s a Normal Requal (~9-12 days), while under 12 months is a special requal (~3-4 days).
However, If you return to different equipment, you will have to do the SuccessFactors academics, which they have to give you time to complete. (New hires get a full week…) And obviously you will get a full IQ. Even in “normal” times it was usually a couple weeks for all the moving parts to come together after your RTW (return to work) and IQ start. In Covid times, who knows? Could be months… Plus, as we transition toward normal, data points will get stale quickly.
One of the good deals about coming back from disability over 6 months: you can select any category for which there was an AE at your seniority level while out. PWA 13.C.2.b. Less than 6 months, you go back where you were, unless the category was closed. In that case you can go anywhere your seniority can hold.
Good luck!
*Edit*. Just saw captkdobbs post. Again, I’d wager the absolute soonest will be a couple of weeks. It will take that long to get the academics loaded, and for the training planners to find/build you a spot. With all the NQAT folks, you are just another log on the big pile right now, so I wouldn’t be suprised if it was a couple of months. It seems like everything is operating slower than normal right now, especially on the NB fleets.
05-02-2021, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
I’m guessing anyone who got 48 hour notice from submitting their medical to starting in the sims went back to the same equipment, and was out less than 12 months. Regardless, I’ll bet they didn’t need a full IQ. Maybe even just qualified for a RECY sim.
FOM 20.12 has some info for what is required when, and the DIG will tell you what your “course” will consist of. For example, if you were out less than 36 months and going back to the same equipment, it’s a Normal Requal (~9-12 days), while under 12 months is a special requal (~3-4 days).
However, If you return to different equipment, you will have to do the SuccessFactors academics, which they have to give you time to complete. (New hires get a full week…) And obviously you will get a full IQ. Even in “normal” times it was usually a couple weeks for all the moving parts to come together after your RTW (return to work) and IQ start. In Covid times, who knows? Could be months… Plus, as we transition toward normal, data points will get stale quickly.
One of the good deals about coming back from disability over 6 months: you can select any category for which there was an AE at your seniority level while out. PWA 13.C.2.b. Less than 6 months, you go back where you were, unless the category was closed. In that case you can go anywhere your seniority can hold.
Good luck!
*Edit*. Just saw captkdobbs post. Again, I’d wager the absolute soonest will be a couple of weeks. It will take that long to get the academics loaded, and for the training planners to find/build you a spot. With all the NQAT folks, you are just another log on the big pile right now, so I wouldn’t be suprised if it was a couple of months. It seems like everything is operating slower than normal right now, especially on the NB fleets.
FOM 20.12 has some info for what is required when, and the DIG will tell you what your “course” will consist of. For example, if you were out less than 36 months and going back to the same equipment, it’s a Normal Requal (~9-12 days), while under 12 months is a special requal (~3-4 days).
However, If you return to different equipment, you will have to do the SuccessFactors academics, which they have to give you time to complete. (New hires get a full week…) And obviously you will get a full IQ. Even in “normal” times it was usually a couple weeks for all the moving parts to come together after your RTW (return to work) and IQ start. In Covid times, who knows? Could be months… Plus, as we transition toward normal, data points will get stale quickly.
One of the good deals about coming back from disability over 6 months: you can select any category for which there was an AE at your seniority level while out. PWA 13.C.2.b. Less than 6 months, you go back where you were, unless the category was closed. In that case you can go anywhere your seniority can hold.
Good luck!
*Edit*. Just saw captkdobbs post. Again, I’d wager the absolute soonest will be a couple of weeks. It will take that long to get the academics loaded, and for the training planners to find/build you a spot. With all the NQAT folks, you are just another log on the big pile right now, so I wouldn’t be suprised if it was a couple of months. It seems like everything is operating slower than normal right now, especially on the NB fleets.
05-04-2021, 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
...FOM 20.12 has some info for what is required when, and the DIG will tell you what your “course” ...
However, If you return to different equipment, you will have to do the SuccessFactors academics, which they have to give you time to complete. (New hires get a full week…) And obviously you will get a full IQ. Even in “normal” times it was usually a couple weeks for all the moving parts to come together after your RTW (return to work) and IQ start. In Covid times, who knows? Could be months… Plus, as we transition toward normal, data points will get stale quickly.
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Good luck!
*Edit*. Just saw captkdobbs post. Again, I’d wager the absolute soonest will be a couple of weeks. It will take that long to get the academics loaded, and for the training planners to find/build you a spot. With all the NQAT folks, you are just another log on the big pile right now, so I wouldn’t be suprised if it was a couple of months. It seems like everything is operating slower than normal right now, especially on the NB fleets.
However, If you return to different equipment, you will have to do the SuccessFactors academics, which they have to give you time to complete. (New hires get a full week…) And obviously you will get a full IQ. Even in “normal” times it was usually a couple weeks for all the moving parts to come together after your RTW (return to work) and IQ start. In Covid times, who knows? Could be months… Plus, as we transition toward normal, data points will get stale quickly.
...
Good luck!
*Edit*. Just saw captkdobbs post. Again, I’d wager the absolute soonest will be a couple of weeks. It will take that long to get the academics loaded, and for the training planners to find/build you a spot. With all the NQAT folks, you are just another log on the big pile right now, so I wouldn’t be suprised if it was a couple of months. It seems like everything is operating slower than normal right now, especially on the NB fleets.
Does the fact that conversions haven't even started change the contractual "the category of his choice that his seniority permits him to hold"? In other words, pilots junior to me hold the AE AWARD, but no movement has started; does my seniority 'permit me to hold' a position that no junior pilot lives yet?
TIA for any insight from the group.
05-04-2021, 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by captkdobbs
Thanks for the insight and manual-references. I'm leaning toward the 330B slot since some folks junior to me were awarded it in the last AE. (full course since the 7ER left the building)
Does the fact that conversions haven't even started change the contractual "the category of his choice that his seniority permits him to hold"? In other words, pilots junior to me hold the AE AWARD, but no movement has started; does my seniority 'permit me to hold' a position that no junior pilot lives yet?
TIA for any insight from the group.
Does the fact that conversions haven't even started change the contractual "the category of his choice that his seniority permits him to hold"? In other words, pilots junior to me hold the AE AWARD, but no movement has started; does my seniority 'permit me to hold' a position that no junior pilot lives yet?
TIA for any insight from the group.
FWIW, I highly recommend choosing the 330. You’ll love it.
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