Coming back from medical leave - seniority?
05-05-2021, 05:54 AM
#31
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Joined APC: Jul 2011
Posts: 52
I returned from LTD and was given about 5-days notice of training for a full IQ on a new fleet from when my medical was approved. I pushed back, but at the end of the story I was still working through the CBT modules during the 300 series. Certainly not ideal, but unfortunately PWA compliant.
Also, keep in mind that your return to active payroll status under PWA 13.C.3. Exception one is the date you PRESENT your First Class Medical to the Company, not the date it is approved. Expect the Company to make your effective return the latter, and dig in your heels to enforce the former.
Also, keep in mind that your return to active payroll status under PWA 13.C.3. Exception one is the date you PRESENT your First Class Medical to the Company, not the date it is approved. Expect the Company to make your effective return the latter, and dig in your heels to enforce the former.
05-10-2021, 12:36 PM
#32
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Joined APC: Jul 2010
Position: window seat
Posts: 12,522
Originally Posted by OverspeedCowboy
I returned from LTD and was given about 5-days notice of training for a full IQ on a new fleet from when my medical was approved. I pushed back, but at the end of the story I was still working through the CBT modules during the 300 series.
06-01-2021, 04:28 PM
#33
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Joined APC: Oct 2013
Posts: 45
Sorry to be a PIA,
Where is the be place to get information about bidding and NQAT? I've been out about 16months. Going back to same category. First month back I got RES guarantee. I have a standing bid which awarded me a line for June while NQAT. Time card appears to say I'll get paid my award. Seems to be correct from my past experience.
I'd appreciate any input before I call or email contract admin.
Nothing
Where is the be place to get information about bidding and NQAT? I've been out about 16months. Going back to same category. First month back I got RES guarantee. I have a standing bid which awarded me a line for June while NQAT. Time card appears to say I'll get paid my award. Seems to be correct from my past experience.
I'd appreciate any input before I call or email contract admin.
Nothing
06-02-2021, 03:54 AM
#34
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Joined APC: Sep 2006
Position: Starboard Side, weekends & holidays.
Posts: 845
I got paid what I bid for the first month I came back from LTD and was able to bid. I came back while the bid window was open for the next month. Those trips were subsequently put into open time and my schedule showed NQAT with the trips still on there for pay purposes. Every subsequent month was straight NQAT pay, as it was preposted on my schedule before the window opened, so ALV -2.
06-02-2021, 07:00 AM
#35
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Joined APC: Sep 2011
Posts: 4,173
Originally Posted by nothing
Sorry to be a PIA,
Where is the be place to get information about bidding and NQAT? I've been out about 16months. Going back to same category. First month back I got RES guarantee. I have a standing bid which awarded me a line for June while NQAT. Time card appears to say I'll get paid my award. Seems to be correct from my past experience.
I'd appreciate any input before I call or email contract admin.
Nothing
Where is the be place to get information about bidding and NQAT? I've been out about 16months. Going back to same category. First month back I got RES guarantee. I have a standing bid which awarded me a line for June while NQAT. Time card appears to say I'll get paid my award. Seems to be correct from my past experience.
I'd appreciate any input before I call or email contract admin.
Nothing
As NQAT, you shouldn’t be able to bid. NQAT is a manual process for the training planners, and in normal times is very manageable numbers of pilots. Currently, however, their process is overwhelmed.
But if they missed it for June, and system let you bid something with more credit in June than ALV, great. At a minimum, NQAT is paid pro-rated ALV. You can submit a smart sheet to the training planner, but a call to the CPO may be quicker to resolve. Realize you only have a few days before they close out May’s payroll, but it will be fixed eventually.
Good luck. Report back for other’s leaning any lessons learned. It will help someone else down the line.
06-02-2021, 04:48 PM
#36
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Joined APC: Dec 2012
Position: A330 FO
Posts: 671
Originally Posted by FangsF15
...for other’s leaning any lessons learned. It will help someone else down the line.
I tore my rotator cuff at the end of October. I went out 'sick' for my next trip in November and started the application process for disability knowing that I was going to be out for a while. By contract, the "Event date" was set as the first day I missed work.
I hadn't used any sick time the entire year so I had to use all my sick time before converting to disability ('unpaid status') in February. I was a good boy, did everything the physicians and physical therapist told me to, and was ready to Return to Work at the beginning of May. I was out 6 months and 4 days.
Between the time I ran out of sick time and the time I RTW an AE was held in which 25 pilots junior to me were awarded the position that was #1 on my AE bid.
Logic says that I was out for "more than 6 months" so I should return to whatever position my seniority permits me to hold. (13.C.2.b.)
Here's the kick in the b@!!s: I may have been 'out' for 6 months, but I was only on 'unpaid status' for 3 months. Because of this, 13.C.1. applies and I get sent back to the position I was displaced to during the MOAD. I was not afforded the opportunity to bid on the AE since it occurred during the short time I was on unpaid status.
I went through all channels, company and ALPA (CPO to LEC to contract admin) and, unfortunately it is 100% contractually compliant.
Had I used all my sick time before tearing up my shoulder, or if it had taken three more months to recover, I'd have been able to choose my position, but since I didn't (and it didn't), I get stuck in my displacement category until the next AE where my desired position may NOT even be offered.
06-08-2021, 12:10 PM
#37
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Joined APC: Nov 2016
Posts: 1,305
Originally Posted by captkdobbs
So here's a huge 'lesson learned'...
I tore my rotator cuff at the end of October. I went out 'sick' for my next trip in November and started the application process for disability knowing that I was going to be out for a while. By contract, the "Event date" was set as the first day I missed work.
I hadn't used any sick time the entire year so I had to use all my sick time before converting to disability ('unpaid status') in February. I was a good boy, did everything the physicians and physical therapist told me to, and was ready to Return to Work at the beginning of May. I was out 6 months and 4 days.
Between the time I ran out of sick time and the time I RTW an AE was held in which 25 pilots junior to me were awarded the position that was #1 on my AE bid.
Logic says that I was out for "more than 6 months" so I should return to whatever position my seniority permits me to hold. (13.C.2.b.)
Here's the kick in the b@!!s: I may have been 'out' for 6 months, but I was only on 'unpaid status' for 3 months. Because of this, 13.C.1. applies and I get sent back to the position I was displaced to during the MOAD. I was not afforded the opportunity to bid on the AE since it occurred during the short time I was on unpaid status.
I went through all channels, company and ALPA (CPO to LEC to contract admin) and, unfortunately it is 100% contractually compliant.
Had I used all my sick time before tearing up my shoulder, or if it had taken three more months to recover, I'd have been able to choose my position, but since I didn't (and it didn't), I get stuck in my displacement category until the next AE where my desired position may NOT even be offered.
I tore my rotator cuff at the end of October. I went out 'sick' for my next trip in November and started the application process for disability knowing that I was going to be out for a while. By contract, the "Event date" was set as the first day I missed work.
I hadn't used any sick time the entire year so I had to use all my sick time before converting to disability ('unpaid status') in February. I was a good boy, did everything the physicians and physical therapist told me to, and was ready to Return to Work at the beginning of May. I was out 6 months and 4 days.
Between the time I ran out of sick time and the time I RTW an AE was held in which 25 pilots junior to me were awarded the position that was #1 on my AE bid.
Logic says that I was out for "more than 6 months" so I should return to whatever position my seniority permits me to hold. (13.C.2.b.)
Here's the kick in the b@!!s: I may have been 'out' for 6 months, but I was only on 'unpaid status' for 3 months. Because of this, 13.C.1. applies and I get sent back to the position I was displaced to during the MOAD. I was not afforded the opportunity to bid on the AE since it occurred during the short time I was on unpaid status.
I went through all channels, company and ALPA (CPO to LEC to contract admin) and, unfortunately it is 100% contractually compliant.
Had I used all my sick time before tearing up my shoulder, or if it had taken three more months to recover, I'd have been able to choose my position, but since I didn't (and it didn't), I get stuck in my displacement category until the next AE where my desired position may NOT even be offered.
06-08-2021, 12:21 PM
#38
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Posts: 4,173
Originally Posted by captkdobbs
So here's a huge 'lesson learned'...
I tore my rotator cuff at the end of October. I went out 'sick' for my next trip in November and started the application process for disability knowing that I was going to be out for a while. By contract, the "Event date" was set as the first day I missed work.
I hadn't used any sick time the entire year so I had to use all my sick time before converting to disability ('unpaid status') in February. I was a good boy, did everything the physicians and physical therapist told me to, and was ready to Return to Work at the beginning of May. I was out 6 months and 4 days.
Between the time I ran out of sick time and the time I RTW an AE was held in which 25 pilots junior to me were awarded the position that was #1 on my AE bid.
Logic says that I was out for "more than 6 months" so I should return to whatever position my seniority permits me to hold. (13.C.2.b.)
Here's the kick in the b@!!s: I may have been 'out' for 6 months, but I was only on 'unpaid status' for 3 months. Because of this, 13.C.1. applies and I get sent back to the position I was displaced to during the MOAD. I was not afforded the opportunity to bid on the AE since it occurred during the short time I was on unpaid status.
I went through all channels, company and ALPA (CPO to LEC to contract admin) and, unfortunately it is 100% contractually compliant.
Had I used all my sick time before tearing up my shoulder, or if it had taken three more months to recover, I'd have been able to choose my position, but since I didn't (and it didn't), I get stuck in my displacement category until the next AE where my desired position may NOT even be offered.
I tore my rotator cuff at the end of October. I went out 'sick' for my next trip in November and started the application process for disability knowing that I was going to be out for a while. By contract, the "Event date" was set as the first day I missed work.
I hadn't used any sick time the entire year so I had to use all my sick time before converting to disability ('unpaid status') in February. I was a good boy, did everything the physicians and physical therapist told me to, and was ready to Return to Work at the beginning of May. I was out 6 months and 4 days.
Between the time I ran out of sick time and the time I RTW an AE was held in which 25 pilots junior to me were awarded the position that was #1 on my AE bid.
Logic says that I was out for "more than 6 months" so I should return to whatever position my seniority permits me to hold. (13.C.2.b.)
Here's the kick in the b@!!s: I may have been 'out' for 6 months, but I was only on 'unpaid status' for 3 months. Because of this, 13.C.1. applies and I get sent back to the position I was displaced to during the MOAD. I was not afforded the opportunity to bid on the AE since it occurred during the short time I was on unpaid status.
I went through all channels, company and ALPA (CPO to LEC to contract admin) and, unfortunately it is 100% contractually compliant.
Had I used all my sick time before tearing up my shoulder, or if it had taken three more months to recover, I'd have been able to choose my position, but since I didn't (and it didn't), I get stuck in my displacement category until the next AE where my desired position may NOT even be offered.
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