The Greening of the Airline Business
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Marine LaPen will put a stop to all this foolishness when she is elected, n’est ce pas?
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SAFuels are interesting but im more excited about some of the all electric designs coming down the pipe. Harbour air is making it work. And did you see this story...
United Airlines orders 200 vertical-takeoff electric airplanes
https://youtu.be/nsBgDXHVorE
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People will just buy tickets on British Air or Lufthansa and connect to the smaller French cities through their hubs. The only thing that will be accomplished is a loss of jobs in France.
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SAFuels are interesting but im more excited about some of the all electric designs coming down the pipe. Harbour air is making it work. And did you see this story...
United Airlines orders 200 vertical-takeoff electric airplanes
Electric airliners may address a small niche of lower-end regional aircraft on short hops... might be 10-20% of the global market max. Think EAS, plus some 50-seat route.
Even hybrid concepts are painfully difficult to make an energy-accounting case once you add the volume and weight of the extra hardaware.
Current-technology battery pack-level specific-energy capacity is about 250Wh/Kg. That's bleeding edge, aviation applications obviously need to be more conservative.
The absolute theoretical max of battery chemistry is about 1,000 Wh/Kg. That upper limit cannot change since it's underpinned by the atomic and subatomic structure of the atoms being used; no amount of R&D at least in this universe will change that. That's the chemical limit at the individual cell... once you account for overhead for battery pack management systems, the actual max capacity is somewhat lower.
Aggravating factor... on longer flights as fuel burns the plane gets significantly lighter. On very-long haul that can be 50% of the TOW. Batteries don't get lighter enroute.
Jet A has a specific energy of 12,000 Wh/kg. See the problem?
Liquid fuel is the only way for mainline and most regional ops. SAF is the obvious practical way forward, it can be scaled up and used in current aircraft designs. You can even make it carbon-zero from green energy, water, and air. Hydrogen is a possibility but would require major ground infrastructure + clean-sheet design aircraft. H2 has better specific energy than even Jet A, but it's specific volume is horrible.. a practical H2 jet would need a LOT of extra fuselage volume to accommodate the large tanks, like flying-wing (or blended) design. Consider the space-shuttle... recognizable in form as an aircraft. But it's H2 had to be carried in that giant orange drop tank.
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