LOA to change TOE’s
02-25-2021, 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
Delta management has another alternative . If the training is too excessive, or pilots will be awaiting TOE and therefore sitting idle......they could choose to not to spool back up as quickly as possible. .
02-25-2021, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by OOfff
The phrase “cutting of your nose to spite your face” comes to mind when thinking of an MEC that would hold the line on something like this when no international exists on which to fly TOE. Leta use the leverage, sure, but just saying no is silly
02-25-2021, 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by OOfff
The phrase “cutting of your nose to spite your face” comes to mind when thinking of an MEC that would hold the line on something like this when no international exists on which to fly TOE. Leta use the leverage, sure, but just saying no is silly
02-25-2021, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by OOfff
The phrase “cutting of your nose to spite your face” comes to mind when thinking of an MEC that would hold the line on something like this when no international exists on which to fly TOE. Leta use the leverage, sure, but just saying no is silly
02-25-2021, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying
a couple pages back Tunes had pointed out that the contract allows them to fly pilots domestically after OE but before TOE, the FAA was the one holding that up not ALPA. What tunes said was the company was seeking to make TOE a theater qual so it can be done by an LVP instead of an LCA. If this is correct, The union saying no to this does not seem like “cutting off your nose to spite your face”
02-25-2021, 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
Do you fly international? If yes...crossing the Atlantic and you don't send for clearance, what happens? Crossing the Pacific....., How hard can it be?...your clearance is incorporated into your clearance on the ground. A pilot could fly 10 international legs with an instructor and it would be a yawn fest.
Nuances(as you call them) do occur sometimes but are handled regardless if you had a TOE or not. Might you have to make a radio call that is noob sounding? ....possibly....dangerous or unsafe?...not even close.
At least that has been my experience.
Nuances(as you call them) do occur sometimes but are handled regardless if you had a TOE or not. Might you have to make a radio call that is noob sounding? ....possibly....dangerous or unsafe?...not even close.
At least that has been my experience.
02-25-2021, 02:31 PM
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Theater Quals would be way better than just a generic TOE... the Pacific flying is not the same at Atlantic. Hell even coasting out with NY is different than Gander. That being said, with the advancements in technology, just cause we used to do it one way doesn’t mean we can’t adapt to better suit ourselves or the company. That’s why we bargain, I think it’s a great opportunity to hash out a good plan that helps the company AND pilot group. This could be a great opportunity to capture from pre Covid gains we have wanted...
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02-25-2021, 04:30 PM
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LOA to change TOE’s
Originally Posted by JamesBond
Making it a TQ instead of a TOE does not automatically mean it must be done by a LVP. I have done plenty of TQs and SAQs as well. My suggestion that if this really bothers you is to call your rep, and tell them you don't disagree with this in principle, but you would object if it does not require an LCA to accomplish this particular "TQ". But... as it stands, I can see that the company is drooling at the potential to send an FO instead of an LCP. There is value there.
Just to be clear, I never said LCAs couldn’t do it just that this would allow LVPs to do it now where they couldn’t in the past...agree with everything you said here though
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02-26-2021, 03:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Nantonaku
I did for three years. The simulator training did nothing to prepare for an actual Atlantic crossing.
As someone who teaches it in the sim, this is a very correct statement.
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02-26-2021, 03:16 AM
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I've haven't flown international yet but the disparity in opinions is quite intriguing. Some think it like a space shuttle mission that requires hands on teaching from a LCP and some think it's a snooze fest especially while being lectured all the way across the Ocean
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