LOA to change TOE’s
02-18-2021, 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by iaflyer
I know that - 
My point is, why can't ALPA let us know the things that are being discussed. The pilots can't very well give their opinions about LOAs in discussion that we don't even know about.
It's like the red-eye issue from years ago. Someone leaked ALPA was discussing flying after a red-eye or something like that. Pilots inundated their reps with opinions and it was changed and that red-eye stuff was taken out at the last minute. Had someone not said it was going to happen, we would of been presented with a signed LOA. Now we do have voting approval for LOAs, which helps. But it would be nice to be able to give our opinions before an issue becomes an LOA.
My point is, why can't ALPA let us know the things that are being discussed. The pilots can't very well give their opinions about LOAs in discussion that we don't even know about. It's like the red-eye issue from years ago. Someone leaked ALPA was discussing flying after a red-eye or something like that. Pilots inundated their reps with opinions and it was changed and that red-eye stuff was taken out at the last minute. Had someone not said it was going to happen, we would of been presented with a signed LOA. Now we do have voting approval for LOAs, which helps. But it would be nice to be able to give our opinions before an issue becomes an LOA.
Because alpa isn’t discussing anything with the company at this point on this issue
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02-18-2021, 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by tunes
Because alpa isn’t discussing anything with the company at this point on this issue
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I believe you, tunes, but then our union needs to put out Comm pieces very quick after the company makes a false assertion and debunk the narrative being made.
The same back-and-forth misinformation came last year from Laughter regarding discussions about VEOP, 20-03 and 20-04.. why can no one just clear the air and call a spade a spade?
Yes, I have made this known to my reps.
02-18-2021, 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by NJGov
I believe you, tunes, but then our union needs to put out Comm pieces very quick after the company makes a false assertion and debunk the narrative being made.
The same back-and-forth misinformation came last year from Laughter regarding discussions about VEOP, 20-03 and 20-04.. why can no one just clear the air and call and spade a spade?
Yes, I have made this known to my reps.
The same back-and-forth misinformation came last year from Laughter regarding discussions about VEOP, 20-03 and 20-04.. why can no one just clear the air and call and spade a spade?
Yes, I have made this known to my reps.
You aren’t wrong....
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02-18-2021, 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by tipofthe
You're free to voice your opinion. ALPA reps have phone numbers as well as email addresses.
02-18-2021, 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by tunes
Because alpa isn’t discussing anything with the company at this point on this issue
But I did talk with my rep and he didn't know anything about it.
02-18-2021, 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
DALPA likely will negotiate pay protection for this situation.
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I think first time captains should go with a LCP, but I ain't making that decision. I won't be a bit surprised if LVPs are greenlighted for this.
02-18-2021, 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
What's to pay protect? If this theater qual scenario plays out, there will be no problem getting that qual. DAL will basically double their LCP availability as LVPs will more than likely be able to do them. Atlantic crossings have been dumbed down so much I am surprised it has taken this long.
I think first time captains should go with a LCP, but I ain't making that decision. I won't be a bit surprised if LVPs are greenlighted for this.
I think first time captains should go with a LCP, but I ain't making that decision. I won't be a bit surprised if LVPs are greenlighted for this.
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02-18-2021, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
What's to pay protect? If this theater qual scenario plays out, there will be no problem getting that qual. DAL will basically double their LCP availability as LVPs will more than likely be able to do them. Atlantic crossings have been dumbed down so much I am surprised it has taken this long.
I think first time captains should go with a LCP, but I ain't making that decision. I won't be a bit surprised if LVPs are greenlighted for this.
I think first time captains should go with a LCP, but I ain't making that decision. I won't be a bit surprised if LVPs are greenlighted for this.
02-18-2021, 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by iaflyer
Well the company says they are (in the Skyhub meeting from the other day) - they said they have been working with ALPA safety/training committee and have a proposal for LOA about how we can ‘sunset’ traditional TOE.
But I did talk with my rep and he didn't know anything about it.
But I did talk with my rep and he didn't know anything about it.
I understand what he said on sky hub. What I’m telling you is that there has been no proposal submitted to alpa on this so there is currently nothing to negotiate
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