LOA to change TOE’s
02-18-2021, 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
What's to pay protect? If this theater qual scenario plays out, there will be no problem getting that qual. DAL will basically double their LCP availability as LVPs will more than likely be able to do them. Atlantic crossings have been dumbed down so much I am surprised it has taken this long.
I think first time captains should go with a LCP, but I ain't making that decision. I won't be a bit surprised if LVPs are greenlighted for this.
I think first time captains should go with a LCP, but I ain't making that decision. I won't be a bit surprised if LVPs are greenlighted for this.
The training dept does an excellent job in the 4x sims getting you exposed and prepared.
I don't know why we make it such a BFD. Especially for FOs
02-19-2021, 03:01 AM
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Originally Posted by iaflyer
Well the company says they are (in the Skyhub meeting from the other day) - they said they have been working with ALPA safety/training committee and have a proposal for LOA about how we can ‘sunset’ traditional TOE.
But I did talk with my rep and he didn't know anything about it.
But I did talk with my rep and he didn't know anything about it.
02-19-2021, 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Phins2right
The NATs are a big yawn. Everything is scripted and spelled out for you. Total no brainer.
The training dept does an excellent job in the 4x sims getting you exposed and prepared.
I don't know why we make it such a BFD. Especially for FOs
The training dept does an excellent job in the 4x sims getting you exposed and prepared.
I don't know why we make it such a BFD. Especially for FOs
02-19-2021, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Yet we have had some serious issues on the tracks.
Shiznit happens.
So, how much training is enough?
02-19-2021, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Phins2right
The NATs are a big yawn. Everything is scripted and spelled out for you. Total no brainer.
The training dept does an excellent job in the 4x sims getting you exposed and prepared.
I don't know why we make it such a BFD. Especially for FOs
The training dept does an excellent job in the 4x sims getting you exposed and prepared.
I don't know why we make it such a BFD. Especially for FOs
And... since Capts more often than not take the middle break going east, there are 2 FOs in the seat in the middle of the ocean. That's probably why it IS a BFD still for FOs. I find it interesting that you made that part of your post.
02-19-2021, 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
Because for a long time it was a BFD. And there are still aspects that get messed up that can lead to getting violated. Some of that has to do with the oceanic CTAs and their job protections which is understandable.
And... since Capts more often than not take the middle break going east, there are 2 FOs in the seat in the middle of the ocean. That's probably why it IS a BFD still for FOs. I find it interesting that you made that part of your post.
And... since Capts more often than not take the middle break going east, there are 2 FOs in the seat in the middle of the ocean. That's probably why it IS a BFD still for FOs. I find it interesting that you made that part of your post.
02-19-2021, 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
And... since Capts more often than not take the middle break going east, there are 2 FOs in the seat in the middle of the ocean. That's probably why it IS a BFD still for FOs. I find it interesting that you made that part of your post.
"So, how many crossings have you done since TOE"
'This is the first'
Kind of like my first 757-300 landing.
New Captain.. Just off OE. I'd been flying the ER, but had been a Intl Yellow Slip Ninja for my first year or so, so had been on it for about 14 months before I ever flew a 300..
Captain: "How does the 300 land"
Me: Dunno. Never done it. I've been told use flaps 30.
Captain: You need an Autoland or Sim CAT III?
Me: Won't hurt. Let's see how HAL lands this thing.
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