It’ll be 11-12 weeks if what the OE planner told me is true. 44X in early January, 4 week wait for OE and another 7-8 for TOE.

Same here, brother. And for us it was as much about continuity of care as the cost. Even thinking about starting over with Drs, specialists, and services was a nightmare. I have family in base so a move would’ve made perfect sense on that front. But it made much more sense to stay put.

I bet the number of pilots that would move to either could be counted on one hand. Despite the insane cost of living spike they'd inherit, they'd still have to actually do the commute. The very few global wanderers we have would likely not increase at all.

Hopefully the trial period proved enough "big data" for the spreadsheet folks to see a worthwhile gain in operational reliability at a nominal price and the program can be maintained. At least a watered down version like PS between IRS residency airport and base only up to so many times a year etc.

No one will move to a global cost crunch market for any version of PS commuting that's just silly.

Its funny how some still look at commuting as some essentric recreational impulse instead of the necessity it can sometimes become for numerous reasons. Just because one can answer "pilot" to the dinner party occupational qestions and that can sometimes be cool doesn't mean all pilots are the apex alphas of all family situations either. Sometimes a spouse has a great, non-portable job. Sometimes there's medically intensive reasons to be somewhere versus somewhere else. Family reasons, businesses, guard/reserve opportunities, the list goes on and on. There are many reasons why folks commute.

I've both lived in base and commuted, and sometimes lived in a base and still commuted, both online and offline in and out of bases. I've never felt resentful or entitled to something else just because things got a bit better for commuters. That's just clownish.

Commuting is a reality of the business and it always will be. Chosing to live in a base, and bid something in that base, are also choices and zero virtue is attatched to those choices as they come with their own rewards anyway.

Back to the thread title, is all it will take is a LOA to get TOE changed to TQ?

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”Excuse me, sir. Seeing as how the V.P. is such a V.I.P., shouldn't we keep the P.C. on the Q.T.? 'Cause of the leaks to the V.C. He could end up a MIA and we’d all end up on KP”

Sorry..

I’d 100% move if permanent PS commuting was on the table in a post-covid schedule.

move to HNL or LHR? Or anywhere outside CONUS/Alaska?

I currently don’t live in base, and any thoughts of moving to base would probably go away with PS commuting. But I’d be more likely to commute to NYC vs ATL/DTW if PS stays

Some would. Most wouldn't. Either way it helps the pilot group and the operation and (PTC teeth gnashing notwithstanding) reduces fatigue and sick calls.

Even if the one flight PS gets watered down somewhat, we should be able to net significant improvements on the other side of this as they'll have the data to prove the benefits outweighed the relatively minimal costs.

Something like one of those, yes

LOA to change TOE’s
 

This...

In a previous life in ACMI, we had home basing, I still miss it...

I currently live in Mecca, and as an empty nester, I see myself commuting from ANC in the summer and RSW/TPA in the winter. Or Maui/ St Lucia, if I could find the right rental. The options are almost endless.


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This issue could easily be solved by restricting the PS commuting to a single leg and domestic flights only.

I’d rather have PS commuting with restrictions to prevent global wandering than no PS commuting at all.

Reasonable. At any one time, there are a handful of pilots and FAs commuting from Europe or S. America. Should they get PS commuting? Do they get a guaranteed business class seat "just because?" I don't think Network would like that in a post-Covid world.

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Yeah, that’s why I mentioned domestic flights only.

If you’re OCONUS, you gotta have the standard two options.

Why? Why would you water down an ask before even asking for it?

I’m not asking for anything. I’m not on the negotiating committee. I’m not in contact with anyone from the union or the company about this matter or any other matter.

I’m just an anonymous internet forum user theorizing with other anonymous internet forum users. Very little on this forum actually means anything, it’s mostly all just navel gazing, circle jerking, etc.

Did you write your reps on the issue? Being that I am converted to a new base, I wrote my 'old' reps (JFK) and my 'new' reps (DTW). I heard from 1 of the NY reps, and neither of the DTW reps. Should I be surprised?

I did not, because I’m just navel gazing here.

I heard back from all 3 of my NYC reps in a back and forth. They’re all waiting to see the specifics of what the company wants next week.

Late to the party but here’s my contribution.

If they want TOE Relief on the ER, they can have it. On a temporary basis. Until 12/31/2022.

In exchange we get a permanent 5:15 min day for training.

On 12/31/2022 if there is no international flying then they can talk to us then and we will negotiate.

I have no skin in the TOE game, but seems reasonable.

If that doesn’t solve the issue for them, then I guess it isn’t that important to them.

Bravo good sir! Agree with this 💯.

Probably we will hear "We'd love to order a large number of ****** jets but need relief from you pilots".

I expect august or September they pull that while you and me and everyone else stops answering the phone for inverse assignments anymore.

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