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Old 02-19-2021, 10:26 AM
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In reality, the whole blocking of the middle seats is a joke. It's ok to sit beside each other on 2 seat row but not a 3 seat row? Also, you still have someone siting all around you including in front, behind, and across the aisle..But if passengers fall for that then so be it, and I don't blame Delta for doing it. While I was a non rev recently, passengers were talking about this exact thing and saying it is false advertising promo.
It's this exact reason I choose Delta for my deviation dhds to Europe and Asia, while American and United have been packing them in. I know the blocking seats will be lifted soon, but I'd rather take advantage of the extra space just in case.
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Old 02-19-2021, 10:26 AM
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We already are the largest
Don't believe that's true. You have to take out the seats we are not selling.
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Old 02-19-2021, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by 3 green View Post
In reality, the whole blocking of the middle seats is a joke. It's ok to sit beside each other on 2 seat row but not a 3 seat row? Also, you still have someone siting all around you including in front, behind, and across the aisle..But if passengers fall for that then so be it, and I don't blame Delta for doing it. While I was a non rev recently, passengers were talking about this exact thing and saying it is false advertising promo.
Medically it may just be a joke... Iím not a doctor so Iíll not be ďthatĒ guy who claims to be an expert. But what I do know, from listening to enough talk on skynet or by reading the interviews done with Ed and Co., is that people who actually care.... our customers.... say itís the number one reason and paramount to why they are choosing Delta over everyone else. After flight surveys... this is real data, not some expert pilot on APC who knows it all. These surveys show that the middle seat block is sometimes the only reason why people are flying us... cost be damned. Theyíll pay more for the separation. While weíve been doing that, we are making more than our peers who havenít been doing that. Fact. Not conjecture.

When things recover Iím sure we will lose some of those customers when they are packed into coach seats again, but psychologically speaking, some of those will be new Delta loyal customers that we didnít have prior to WWC... World War Covid.

Thatís the truth peeps.
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Old 02-19-2021, 12:23 PM
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Honestly I think they just like the separation in and of itself, not because of COVID.

Flying is miserable when youíre crammed in there with every seat taken. Boarding, the flight, and deplaning are just so much more enjoyable (and faster and plenty of room for bags) that people are probably paying for that aspect under the guise of being happy about the COVID safety theater. Not having to sit next to someone more than makes up for the diminished cabin service and mask wearing (at least to me).

Iíd be down for perpetual middle seat blocking if only it didnít affect our profit sharing checks.
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Old 02-19-2021, 12:41 PM
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10-20% revenue premium.

We are carrying more business travellers as a percentage of the industry than ever before.

It's all about the yield.
I have a friend in delta IT, who is on a corporate accounts team. It amazing what they can calculate, last week he said pre-covid dal had 28% share of all corporate travel in the US. He said today we are at 40%! Whatever corporate travel takes place in the US now, dal is doing 40% of it. Itís small number is absolute figures, but the big chunk of it is dal.

He thinks itís because of more space - no middle seat and half delta one. They love it. He said once the cap goes away weíd probably slide back to 28% share.

He said Premiums are 10-12%, 10-20 would be nice!
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Old 02-19-2021, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Lifeisgood View Post
I have a friend in delta IT, who is on a corporate accounts team. It amazing what they can calculate, last week he said pre-covid dal had 28% share of all corporate travel in the US. He said today we are at 40%! Whatever corporate travel takes place in the US now, dal is doing 40% of it. Itís small number is absolute figures, but the big chunk of it is dal.

He thinks itís because of more space - no middle seat and half delta one. They love it. He said once the cap goes away weíd probably slide back to 28% share.

He said Premiums are 10-12%, 10-20 would be nice!
That's very insightful. Basically, it's not about ultra clean airplanes (can't hurt though); it's about leg room, plenty of overhead bin space, quick boarding/deplaning, etc.

Too bad Delta can't do that in the long run. Boutique airlines try this every now and then; when push comes to shove, people would rather save $100 bucks on a ticket and put up with the sardine can.
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Old 02-19-2021, 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog View Post
It will be interesting to watch and if business and international flying returns quickly enough perhaps even possible, at least for Delta. But right now UAL and AA are still burning money at a rapid rate and their last bond sales demanded an 11 and 12% coupon respectively. Both are digging deep financial holes, especially AA. And even when their business and international rebound, both are going to have enormous training churn - esp. AA.

Expecting either of them to compete effectively against the ULCCs for the low end leisure flying is probably asking them to capture a bridge too far.
To a point. But competing against the LCC crowd is baked in. They already do, and will always plan on growing into, any legacy's markets. If they nibble very, very slowly and rationally, then they can grow for a while while they get their footing underneath them. But if they intend on economically harming the legacies too much too soon, they have to be ready to harm them back 10 times as much.

Many of them aren't just coming for beach market supersavers anymore. They're after first class, lay flat and soon trans Atlantic, complete with code shares and feed. Mutually assured destruction is the only defense against that because if their initial salvos work, they will only be emboldened to keep growing that strategy endlessly.
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Old 02-19-2021, 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by DeltaboundRedux View Post
That's very insightful. Basically, it's not about ultra clean airplanes (can't hurt though); it's about leg room, plenty of overhead bin space, quick boarding/deplaning, etc.

The corporate pax probably love it for those reasons you listed, but many of the corporate customers we have now require their employees to fly Delta when the option is available because of the middle seat blocking and cleaning standards. And those that don't require have made us the preferred carrier.
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Honestly I think they just like the separation in and of itself, not because of COVID.

Flying is miserable when youíre crammed in there with every seat taken. Boarding, the flight, and deplaning are just so much more enjoyable (and faster and plenty of room for bags) that people are probably paying for that aspect under the guise of being happy about the COVID safety theater. Not having to sit next to someone more than makes up for the diminished cabin service and mask wearing (at least to me).

Iíd be down for perpetual middle seat blocking if only it didnít affect our profit sharing checks.
All of this!

Our pax are getting the best experience in the industry. Iíll be curious to see how different our eventual new normal might be from the the pre-covid days. Traveling right now is actually pretty sweet if you take care of your own food and beverages.
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Medically it may just be a joke... I
Yes, I should have said medically it's a joke. The surprise to passengers come when they book on a plane that has 2 row seats instead of 3..Then they wonder why they have someone sitting beside them.
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