MEC Chairman letter
02-26-2021, 09:54 AM
#21
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I see this as ALPA getting a chance to train the next generation of schedulers. The company gets free training for a decimated department and we get a behind the scenes look and influence. I hope the ALPA schedulers get FPL and the company pays for it. Any other arrangement financially would be a huge give.
02-26-2021, 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by 3 green
You don't really think they are going to follow the contract just because ALPA is assisting them do you? They will use ALPA to save money when convenient and then they will still violate when necessary to cover trips.. You don't see them complying with scope do you? Also, I'd say only about 80% or so of illegal reroutes are even caught now. Most of the time pilots don't even realize they have been illegally rerouted.
02-26-2021, 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Wolf424
Okay, but for every person who catches the mistake and gets paid extra, how many don’t and the company gets away with it?
I’d rather not have the contract violated in the first place.
I’d rather not have the contract violated in the first place.
Agreed. Plus what we "lose" in someone not getting paid for a mistake, we get back in beter required staffing. If there is no staffing available, it then triggers the GS system etc.
Its fun to get paid for being a victim and even more fun when you didn't even know you were one. But its an undesireable way to run things from all points of view.
02-26-2021, 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by 3 green
You don't really think they are going to follow the contract just because ALPA is assisting them do you? They will use ALPA to save money when convenient and then they will still violate when necessary to cover trips.. You don't see them complying with scope do you? Also, I'd say only about 80% or so of illegal reroutes are even caught now. Most of the time pilots don't even realize they have been illegally rerouted.
02-26-2021, 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by vyperdriver
can they also get somebody to fix the freaking lack of commutability in NYC 320A. 3 years of requesting to get back to commutable schedules and we've achieved 3% commutability. Ridiculous. Previously we had 96% in the largest commuter base and now we are at 3...this is an act of commission and so far ALPA has been completely absent, unable, or unwilling to fix this crap fest we get every month in New York. If you can't fix anything, ALPA should get out of the way for someone that can. Also...while I'm ranting...I could give 2 sh$t$ about the relationship between ALPA and Mgt. I quite frankly prefer the antagonistic approach vice the bend over and take it approach. At least you fought your way into submission.
02-26-2021, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by tunes
I’ve been on the scheduling committee a little over two years now...this is a much needed thing for the pilot group. You are in the vast minority on this...95%+ of the pilots I interact with would rather have the contract followed in the first place.
Actually, the company has been against putting one of us over there for years. We’ve been asking a long time...
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Actually, the company has been against putting one of us over there for years. We’ve been asking a long time...
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edit: saw someone mention the decimated staffing in CS/CR. That’s enough of a reason for me.
02-26-2021, 01:51 PM
#28
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Originally Posted by BigHitterLlama
It was my impression that the company had been opposed to this for quite a while. Any idea why the about face?
edit: saw someone mention the decimated staffing in CS/CR. That’s enough of a reason for me.
edit: saw someone mention the decimated staffing in CS/CR. That’s enough of a reason for me.
02-26-2021, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by tennisguru
Just a guess but maybe pre-COVID they probably just accepted that it was cheaper to pay people for errors than to actually pay to fix the problem. I’d imagine that their number of errors is through the roof, driving costs to an unacceptable level where it actually benefits them to pay ALPA to sit and look over shoulders.
02-26-2021, 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by DenVa
Hopefully that’s not the case. If so, we gave away a leverage point for essentially nothing.
THEN they pass the preliminary bid awards to ALPA for review and approval. Often times ALPA will reject the bid run and say "do over." Eventually all awards are approved and posted.
Using the logic of the naysayers, we should just let the company run whatever PBS solution they wish, tell the pilots to eat the sh!t sandwich, then do a post award review and award penalty pay to any pilot harmed through a bad award.
No thanks. I'd rather have a better life on a constant basis, than perhaps get an occasional bonus payment (weeks or months later) amidst scheduling shortcomings. If ALPA is part of a greater overall operation, that's not a bad thing either.
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