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#61
For me personally, it is DAL. I have a lot of reasons for that. Most are pretty concrete. A few are Pollyanna-ish. Fortunately, the big game of hardball that went down last year and is still unwinding has been highly eye opening.
Delta will probably have some clarity before United gets to me.
Delta will probably have some clarity before United gets to me.
#62
Concur with everything you said, especially the bold, which is our limiting factor. I suspect the 1400 coming off inactive status will be the focus of most of the training throughput to get them in a seat (which may be superseded by this current AE, but nonetheless will remain at the front of the line, IMO). When that backlog is cleared, backdate that by about 6-8 weeks, and that's when we will start interviewing again. (3-4 weeks for invite to CJO, 3-4 weeks to start indoc). That timeframe may be shortened by circumstance though. I think I saw End of September was the projected last of the Affected Pilots' training? If so, I would expect OTS hiring to resume sometime in July. CJO holders may move that date a little, depending on how many we 'lost'.
Again, I think you are right, and it will be our loss for many of those CJO's. However, remember you can start at United, then resign to start at Delta if that's what you really want. You will have no formal/legal obligation. As others said, do what is right for you and your family. Living in domicile is worth a lot. Having said all that, I suspect the seniority rise at the Widget will be the fastest over the next few years, because we are so far behind. Good Luck, and hope to see you all soon. It's awesome to be having this kind of discussion again.
Again, I think you are right, and it will be our loss for many of those CJO's. However, remember you can start at United, then resign to start at Delta if that's what you really want. You will have no formal/legal obligation. As others said, do what is right for you and your family. Living in domicile is worth a lot. Having said all that, I suspect the seniority rise at the Widget will be the fastest over the next few years, because we are so far behind. Good Luck, and hope to see you all soon. It's awesome to be having this kind of discussion again.
#65
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I’d say the rest of it boils down to being from Georgia/Atlanta, not wanting to live in Memphis, not wanting to commute (even if it is regularly a DDH), not wanting to go on trips longer than four or five days...and profit sharing when it’s a thing. I’d also like to say culture is important to me, but this is APC so that’s not allowed. If it were allowed, I’d say that Delta is clearly the best on this front.
EDIT: Now that I look at your question again of DAL vs the other two- AAL seems poorly run, and has serious issues in its pilot group (although the past year seems to have galvanized them). For United it comes once again to not wanting to commute, nor live in one of their high COL domiciles.
#66
Here's the excerpt from the Transcript:
Ed Bastian
I think Leslie; we mentioned that in the cost guidance for the second quarter the rebuild, the maintenance, and as well as some training is probably in a three to four point range of the 6% to 9% growth that we're seeing over 2019 levels.
So, it's a meaningful amount that we're investing to get the business back. We've not made a decision yet with respect to hiring, but I do anticipate if we see the recovery, continue to gain strength that before the end of the year, we could very well be in the market for both pilot and flight attendant hiring again
I think Leslie; we mentioned that in the cost guidance for the second quarter the rebuild, the maintenance, and as well as some training is probably in a three to four point range of the 6% to 9% growth that we're seeing over 2019 levels.
So, it's a meaningful amount that we're investing to get the business back. We've not made a decision yet with respect to hiring, but I do anticipate if we see the recovery, continue to gain strength that before the end of the year, we could very well be in the market for both pilot and flight attendant hiring again
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#67
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they have already decided to hire, they know they are way behind the power curve it's just a matter of when. that leaves him an out if this recovery slows down (which it won't).
#68
Sure. I have given this serious thought. Concerning wide bodies, I think that if one’s goal is to be a wide body captain then one should put every ounce of strength into getting on at FedEx and/or UPS. Pay rates are just slightly lower but 65% of the airline is maxed out on the wide body pay scale. The retirement and contract/work rules are fabulous, and boxes don’t *****. I’m not going to sit back and say that Delta being light on wide bodies is no big deal. It has been a topic with my wife repeatedly that my lifetime earnings would be much higher at FedEx. If Delta was choice 1a for me, then FedEx was 1b and wide bodies and contract are the reason.
I’d say the rest of it boils down to being from Georgia/Atlanta, not wanting to live in Memphis, not wanting to commute (even if it is regularly a DDH), not wanting to go on trips longer than four or five days...and profit sharing when it’s a thing. I’d also like to say culture is important to me, but this is APC so that’s not allowed. If it were allowed, I’d say that Delta is clearly the best on this front.
EDIT: Now that I look at your question again of DAL vs the other two- AAL seems poorly run, and has serious issues in its pilot group (although the past year seems to have galvanized them). For United it comes once again to not wanting to commute, nor live in one of their high COL domiciles.
I’d say the rest of it boils down to being from Georgia/Atlanta, not wanting to live in Memphis, not wanting to commute (even if it is regularly a DDH), not wanting to go on trips longer than four or five days...and profit sharing when it’s a thing. I’d also like to say culture is important to me, but this is APC so that’s not allowed. If it were allowed, I’d say that Delta is clearly the best on this front.
EDIT: Now that I look at your question again of DAL vs the other two- AAL seems poorly run, and has serious issues in its pilot group (although the past year seems to have galvanized them). For United it comes once again to not wanting to commute, nor live in one of their high COL domiciles.
I'll throw one other thing out and that is the whole passenger vs boxes thing. Yeah boxes don't *****, but passengers usually aren't toxic and dangerous either from the perspective of what's inside. Not that that's a big factor either, but in 30 years I can count on one hand the number of times I have had to really deal with passengers.
#69
If they have decided to start hiring, but don't know when... they can't realize they are behind the power curve.
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I'll throw one other thing out and that is the whole passenger vs boxes thing. Yeah boxes don't *****, but passengers usually aren't toxic and dangerous either from the perspective of what's inside. Not that that's a big factor either, but in 30 years I can count on one hand the number of times I have had to really deal with passengers.
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