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Old 04-04-2021, 05:54 PM   #21  
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Agreed, that is extremely efficient. You do 1 of those a week and you are at 80 hours for 12 days of work. Probably lose a day on the backend though due to being exhausted.
And how many years do you lose off the end of your life by doing that month after month?
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And how many years do you lose off the end of your life by doing that month after month?
No idea, I would not do those if I had a choice.
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Old 04-04-2021, 06:41 PM   #23  
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And how many years do you lose off the end of your life by doing that month after month?
Dunno - but whenever I see a FA (male or female) who talks about working 120+ hours a month, red eye turns and lots of flying... I think to myself, "yep, you sure look like it. I can see the fatigue taking its toll."
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Speaking of widebody reserve.... it appears the optimizer has hit the widebodies.

Looking at some trips on ATL330 for next month. Trips down to Chile and Argentina. 9-10 hours down, 13-14 hour ground time (all during the daylight hours) and 9-10 hours back. Is this normal for the widebodies at all and the picture of things to come? Because this might be the kind of trip a junior widebody reserve pilot will getting a lot of.
I hate the deep south, double red-eye rotations. I think they suck but guys do them.
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Any thoughts on what a junior 765, 330, or 350 F/O would typically credit per month? I'm basing math on the reserve guarantee floor of 72 hours per month, but I see lineholders often completing schedules just over 65 hours. As a mid-seniority narrowbody F/O living in base I've consistently averaged 94 hours of credit per month working 15 days, including roughly 6 hours of premium pay per month. I'm curious what a realistic full year comparison would be.
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Any thoughts on what a junior 765, 330, or 350 F/O would typically credit per month? I'm basing math on the reserve guarantee floor of 72 hours per month, but I see lineholders often completing schedules just over 65 hours. As a mid-seniority narrowbody F/O living in base I've consistently averaged 94 hours of credit per month working 15 days, including roughly 6 hours of premium pay per month. I'm curious what a realistic full year comparison would be.
30% WB in category, 3-4 Small GS per year, I figured 78 hours of credit for budget. It appears you will have to weigh the paycut vs QOL. Senior FOís all played the GS game, I was lucky to get one toward end of month
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30% WB in category, 3-4 Small GS per year, I figured 78 hours of credit for budget. It appears you will have to weigh the paycut vs QOL. Senior FOís all played the GS game, I was lucky to get one toward end of month
Thanks for the data point. I can justify some pay reduction to try the widebody QOL, especially if reserve in base is possible. The math tells me that commuting for a widebody spot probably isn't worth it.
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Thanks for the data point. I can justify some pay reduction to try the widebody QOL, especially if reserve in base is possible. The math tells me that commuting for a widebody spot probably isn't worth it.
I was doing the same analysis. I credit much less than you on the NB though so 65-67 but at higher rate is still a pay raise for me. The kicker is 5 additional nights in my bed due to commutability. So pick up 1 3 day trip with 16 hours and youíre at 81-83 WB B rate. Plus still more nights at home than NB. Itís a no brainer for me. Even commuting to reserve sounds pretty appealing at this point.
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I was doing the same analysis. I credit much less than you on the NB though so 65-67 but at higher rate is still a pay raise for me. The kicker is 5 additional nights in my bed due to commutability. So pick up 1 3 day trip with 16 hours and youíre at 81-83 WB B rate. Plus still more nights at home than NB. Itís a no brainer for me. Even commuting to reserve sounds pretty appealing at this point.
Yeah, if commuting either way it would be a no-brainer.
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Any thoughts on what a junior 765, 330, or 350 F/O would typically credit per month? I'm basing math on the reserve guarantee floor of 72 hours per month, but I see lineholders often completing schedules just over 65 hours. As a mid-seniority narrowbody F/O living in base I've consistently averaged 94 hours of credit per month working 15 days, including roughly 6 hours of premium pay per month. I'm curious what a realistic full year comparison would be.
I was living in base at 90% on the 330 and averaged 78 hours like Boog. However, that's because I would drop my entire schedule and pick up broken up/highly efficient trips as they appeared in open time. I'm not so sure that will be an option over the next year or so, and frankly most guys were unwilling to take that gamble. Most months my awarded line would be two 6-day trips worth 68 hours, in the summer they'd usually add another 3-day and bump the pay up 84 hours. I'd rarely ever get a GS, so maybe I'd get 1 a year. It's generally the same few senior guys getting the GS every month. I couldn't even get a GS over Christmas most years. I'd maybe get 1 or 2 SC a month and I think I only got called once on SC (5 hour callout)...over 3 years I probably bid reserve 50% of the time.

What's your view on the pay? Do you need/want the total dollars? What's a day off worth to you? Even at 68 hours for 12 days, your pay per day of work is more than working 15 days for 94 hours on a NB. International trips sign in later in the day and sign out fairly early in the afternoon/evening, also a plus.
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