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Old 04-09-2021, 05:51 AM
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Any one know what the last WB fleet changes will be in the next couple years? I know that our current plan isn't good for more than about 24 hours from when it was put to paper....but I thought we had a bunch of 330-900's and 350's on the way over the next couple years.

What are the thoughts on future WB positions in coming AE's. Or if you don't pull off a WB on this bid will it be a long time before they have openings again?
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Old 04-09-2021, 06:01 AM
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Any one know what the last WB fleet changes will be in the next couple years? I know that our current plan isn't good for more than about 24 hours from when it was put to paper....but I thought we had a bunch of 330-900's and 350's on the way over the next couple years.

What are the thoughts on future WB positions in coming AE's. Or if you don't pull off a WB on this bid will it be a long time before they have openings again?
There is a lot of growth on the 330 fleet over the next few years. Here is the most recent delivery schedule...2021-3, 2022-8, 2023-8, 2024-7, 2025-3. That growth coupled with around 400-500 retirements a year should lead to plenty of widebody positions going forward.
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Old 04-09-2021, 06:10 AM
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There is a lot of growth on the 330 fleet over the next few years. Here is the most recent delivery schedule...2021-3, 2022-8, 2023-8, 2024-7, 2025-3. That growth coupled with around 400-500 retirements a year should lead to plenty of widebody positions going forward.
Any plans to retire some of the older 330s?
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Old 04-09-2021, 06:13 AM
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Thanks for the data point. I can justify some pay reduction to try the widebody QOL, especially if reserve in base is possible. The math tells me that commuting for a widebody spot probably isn't worth it.
Having commutes to reserve in both WB B and NB A, here is my take. I only did reserve in months I had vacation or the very occasional month I knew they would be short. Once a year Inwould do the thunder, but it never worked out quite like I hoped...

The short call thing is what takes the wind out of the sails. Usually didn’t get used, a hotel Bill and two days at home gone for commuting up and back. Plan at least 3-4....in a vacation month, maybe 2.
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Old 04-09-2021, 06:16 AM
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Having commutes to reserve in both WB B and NB A, here is my take. I only did reserve in months I had vacation or the very occasional month I knew they would be short. Once a year Inwould do the thunder, but it never worked out quite like I hoped...

The short call thing is what takes the wind out of the sails. Usually didn’t get used, a hotel Bill and two days at home gone for commuting up and back. Plan at least 3-4....in a vacation month, maybe 2.
I’m not exactly following your comparison. Are you talking about commuting to WB B in the above description? So in those reserve months with SCs how many days were you actually used?
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Old 04-09-2021, 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by HTBH View Post
Any one know what the last WB fleet changes will be in the next couple years? I know that our current plan isn't good for more than about 24 hours from when it was put to paper....but I thought we had a bunch of 330-900's and 350's on the way over the next couple years.

What are the thoughts on future WB positions in coming AE's. Or if you don't pull off a WB on this bid will it be a long time before they have openings again?
Looking at the lift we’ve lost (767/777) I find it hard to believe we won’t see some additional WB order in the next year or so. Even with 339s replacing 767 and 359 replacing 777, that has still a loss from 2019.
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Old 04-09-2021, 07:06 AM
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I’m not exactly following your comparison. Are you talking about commuting to WB B in the above description? So in those reserve months with SCs how many days were you actually used?
Commute to SEA330B. Depends on days available. Those with 5 or more usually get assigned SC (2-4 per month) with junior getting more. But that’s been over the last year. Prior to COVID, I never bid reserve. 2 x 6 day trips = 70-76 hours per month. Can be difficult to WS because a 3 HND is worth over 19. Lots of swapping instead.
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I’m not exactly following your comparison. Are you talking about commuting to WB B in the above description? So in those reserve months with SCs how many days were you actually used?
Commuting to reserve on both. Rarely used when ON SC. I would say before this year, I would get 1/2 the number of SC ‘s than max....BUT this year, I have been used on reserve or placed on SC almost 100% of max SC’s. Obviously short staffed on NB....One time when only good for 2 hours (10-12 before a golden day). Yes, I understand why they do it.
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Old 04-09-2021, 07:43 AM
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Looking at the lift we’ve lost (767/777) I find it hard to believe we won’t see some additional WB order in the next year or so. Even with 339s replacing 767 and 359 replacing 777, that has still a loss from 2019.
Any question why scope is in focus? Watch the feet.
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Originally Posted by boog123 View Post
Commuting to reserve on both. Rarely used when ON SC. I would say before this year, I would get 1/2 the number of SC ‘s than max....BUT this year, I have been used on reserve or placed on SC almost 100% of max SC’s. Obviously short staffed on NB....One time when only good for 2 hours (10-12 before a golden day). Yes, I understand why they do it.
So you’re saying commuting to WB B reserve is very different from NB A?
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