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Old 04-04-2021, 09:25 AM   #11  
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How many mandatory retirements in the next 18 months, outside of the remaining VEOP guys? The math hasnít added up since the day they published the MOAD. Or stopped hiring. Or let go 1800+ in the VEOP. Iíve given up trying to make sense of this. I just try to get the least sh1tty schedule I can and pickup a few extra $$ when itís convenient.
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How many mandatory retirements in the next 18 months, outside of the remaining VEOP guys? The math hasnít added up since the day they published the MOAD. Or stopped hiring. Or let go 1800+ in the VEOP. Iíve given up trying to make sense of this. I just try to get the least sh1tty schedule I can and pickup a few extra $$ when itís convenient.
On Deltanet: remainder of 2021-236 mandatory
2022-401 mandatory
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Company is usually over conservative with their projections. Summer 2022 will likely be 90-95% of 2019 as international will bounce back quicker than expected with less competitors due bankruptcies(ie Norwegian). Due to the retirement of several 767s Delta has a hole in their Widebody network and must bring on more Widebodies in the near term. I think redline operations will be part of the new normal

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And who is going to be flying those widebodies is the question.
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Thatís not an insignificant amount considering where we are right at this moment.
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How many mandatory retirements in the next 18 months, outside of the remaining VEOP guys? The math hasnít added up since the day they published the MOAD. Or stopped hiring. Or let go 1800+ in the VEOP. Iíve given up trying to make sense of this. I just try to get the least sh1tty schedule I can and pickup a few extra $$ when itís convenient.
Pretty sure you are my brother from another mother.
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How many mandatory retirements in the next 18 months, outside of the remaining VEOP guys? The math hasnít added up since the day they published the MOAD. Or stopped hiring. Or let go 1800+ in the VEOP. Iíve given up trying to make sense of this. I just try to get the least sh1tty schedule I can and pickup a few extra $$ when itís convenient.
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If the company plan is to have ~80% of summer 2019 operation during the summer of 2022.. (JL at Stan mtg)

The 5 Apr AE is claiming to staff the operation for summer 2022.. (BS AE memo)

During VEOP about 2000 dudes hanged up the gloves, vast majority were WB Captains.. (ish as l recall)

The 5 Apr AE has 580 WB Captain positions..

I need serious help with my math.. Tennessee public education system fails me again. Please help me to figure out what I am missing.
Did JL just talk about ďdomestic only at 80%, international still in the toiletĒ?? Anybody in the know?
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You are forgetting the bid posted after the VEOP closed. I believe the total VEOP widebody CAís who retired were under 1200 looking at 7ER or above. They filled around 770 positions in the Aug bid. 770 plus 580 equals 1350 and they indicated there will be additional widebody bids before next summer.
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Recently read an article about 787 being very efficient on high density domestic routes like LA - NYC. Just sayin' maybe we bring back the domestic/international category ala 7ER.
I don't think there will ever be 2 separate categories for that ever again. And while I get why feather bedding pilots would want that, it just ain't happeing.

Maybe you just meant more domestic in the "international" fleets. In that case its possible for sure. But separate bid groups, reserves, displacements, etc? No way, never again.
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I don't think there will ever be 2 separate categories for that ever again. And while I get why feather bedding pilots would want that, it just ain't happeing.

Maybe you just meant more domestic in the "international" fleets. In that case its possible for sure. But separate bid groups, reserves, displacements, etc? No way, never again.
You are right about the separate categories. There's no way management would limit the flexibility of the pilot group. If anything they would have us fly more derivatives like throwing the 765 in with the 7ER. But that will never happen either because the 7ER would get a free pay bump. I meant a dual operation with the 787 kind of like the bastardized trips the 7ER has. Domestic day end on the coast, international 3day, domestic day to finish. A true 6 day crap trip gives you the worst of both worlds.
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You are right about the separate categories. There's no way management would limit the flexibility of the pilot group. If anything they would have us fly more derivatives like throwing the 765 in with the 7ER. But that will never happen either because the 7ER would get a free pay bump. I meant a dual operation with the 787 kind of like the bastardized trips the 7ER has. Domestic day end on the coast, international 3day, domestic day to finish. A true 6 day crap trip gives you the worst of both worlds.
Yeah it would depend on how it was implimented. The scenario(s) you describe could happen if the "optimizer/burnback" prime directives were the fulcrum of all things. However having some domestic trips in the bid pack could be a very good thing from a pilot QOL perspective. More options to build a line is a good thing. Sometimes PBS will throw a big trip to get a pilot "full" when a much smaller trip that doesn't exist would have done the trick.

Plus the over hyped and operationally pejorative "widebodies to MCO" rhetoric misses the RASM/CASM reality of certain markets sometimes. Especially the highly competitive transcon routes where ULCC's now throw dimes on the dollar lay flat seats on the market and will soon do so for trans Atlantic. We have to have the ability to seat dump on the seat dumpers at will.
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