Nyc 320a
#101
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It is really comical how some people think NYC wont be bigger than it was pre-covid. Been here for decades and the people that have "left" by and large moved to the suburbs. Minimal exceptions actually moved out to states NOT named New Jersey or Connecticut. There are countless recent college grads and many more coming that cannot wait for the opportunity to work in NYC. Traffic is nearly back to pre-covid levels and manhattan is already bustling with the weather getting better. Once everything is fully open it will be as congested as ever.
Delta's presence in NY will be bigger than it ever has. JFK and EWR will be redone a la LGA over the next 5-10 years with more gate space as well.
Delta's presence in NY will be bigger than it ever has. JFK and EWR will be redone a la LGA over the next 5-10 years with more gate space as well.
I fly out of NY, the airports are mostly ghost towns. They are slowly opening up, 1+ year on. I don't see traffic much other than flying over it. My crash pad is on the lower east side. I can say that traffic is not bad. Takes maybe 20 minutes to JFK from there most days. It seems that yes, unlike March or April of 2020, where broadway/timesquare was empty, yes, some vehicles are returning. Nothing like 2019 though.
I'm stuck on the 7ER doing those crappy non-commutable trips. That is all <60% in category can get you if not getting reserve. It really is a downer. Don't think we see Int'l pick up for awhile.
Trip7 - we actually do more than one red-eye per rotation sometimes. They've gone to imbedding a charter repo flight in some of them. You get that 0345 landing in PHX. ~28 hour layover, then do PHX-ATL, ATL-LAX. 10.5 hour layover then redeye back to JFK. Those are out there. The ER rotations have become no bueno since 2018ish.
#102
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Joined APC: Nov 2016
Posts: 2,544
I think you're wrong. Go look at the data. The wealthy have left in large numbers.
I fly out of NY, the airports are mostly ghost towns. They are slowly opening up, 1+ year on. I don't see traffic much other than flying over it. My crash pad is on the lower east side. I can say that traffic is not bad. Takes maybe 20 minutes to JFK from there most days. It seems that yes, unlike March or April of 2020, where broadway/timesquare was empty, yes, some vehicles are returning. Nothing like 2019 though.
I'm stuck on the 7ER doing those crappy non-commutable trips. That is all <60% in category can get you if not getting reserve. It really is a downer. Don't think we see Int'l pick up for awhile.
Trip7 - we actually do more than one red-eye per rotation sometimes. They've gone to imbedding a charter repo flight in some of them. You get that 0345 landing in PHX. ~28 hour layover, then do PHX-ATL, ATL-LAX. 10.5 hour layover then redeye back to JFK. Those are out there. The ER rotations have become no bueno since 2018ish.
I fly out of NY, the airports are mostly ghost towns. They are slowly opening up, 1+ year on. I don't see traffic much other than flying over it. My crash pad is on the lower east side. I can say that traffic is not bad. Takes maybe 20 minutes to JFK from there most days. It seems that yes, unlike March or April of 2020, where broadway/timesquare was empty, yes, some vehicles are returning. Nothing like 2019 though.
I'm stuck on the 7ER doing those crappy non-commutable trips. That is all <60% in category can get you if not getting reserve. It really is a downer. Don't think we see Int'l pick up for awhile.
Trip7 - we actually do more than one red-eye per rotation sometimes. They've gone to imbedding a charter repo flight in some of them. You get that 0345 landing in PHX. ~28 hour layover, then do PHX-ATL, ATL-LAX. 10.5 hour layover then redeye back to JFK. Those are out there. The ER rotations have become no bueno since 2018ish.
#103
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...n-during-covid
https://nypost.com/2020/11/21/where-...rk-are-moving/
https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2020/01...ving-new-york/
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...g-leaving.html
https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/02/...ere-they-went/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ts/4023477001/
https://247wallst.com/economy/2021/0...nds-last-year/
https://nypost.com/2020/08/11/new-yo...nyc-in-droves/
https://www.northamerican.com/migration-map
https://www.reuters.com/article/usa-...-idUSKBN28P1Q8
https://www.westernjournal.com/many-...d-crime-covid/
https://moneywise.com/a/americans-abandon-states
https://patch.com/new-york/new-york-...es-study-shows
https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyl...rich-skip-town
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackkel...-theyre-going/
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/ne.../22/id/993374/
https://www.foxbusiness.com/real-est...onaire-florida
Just a few.....
Then there's the Uhaul site. Go look at availability and one way cost to move FROM NY versus TO NY.
#104
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Joined APC: Mar 2013
Position: 320A
Posts: 625
https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/01/succe...mic/index.html
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...n-during-covid
https://nypost.com/2020/11/21/where-...rk-are-moving/
https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2020/01...ving-new-york/
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...g-leaving.html
https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/02/...ere-they-went/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ts/4023477001/
https://247wallst.com/economy/2021/0...nds-last-year/
https://nypost.com/2020/08/11/new-yo...nyc-in-droves/
https://www.northamerican.com/migration-map
https://www.reuters.com/article/usa-...-idUSKBN28P1Q8
https://www.westernjournal.com/many-...d-crime-covid/
https://moneywise.com/a/americans-abandon-states
https://patch.com/new-york/new-york-...es-study-shows
https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyl...rich-skip-town
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackkel...-theyre-going/
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/ne.../22/id/993374/
https://www.foxbusiness.com/real-est...onaire-florida
Just a few.....
Then there's the Uhaul site. Go look at availability and one way cost to move FROM NY versus TO NY.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...n-during-covid
https://nypost.com/2020/11/21/where-...rk-are-moving/
https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2020/01...ving-new-york/
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...g-leaving.html
https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/02/...ere-they-went/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ts/4023477001/
https://247wallst.com/economy/2021/0...nds-last-year/
https://nypost.com/2020/08/11/new-yo...nyc-in-droves/
https://www.northamerican.com/migration-map
https://www.reuters.com/article/usa-...-idUSKBN28P1Q8
https://www.westernjournal.com/many-...d-crime-covid/
https://moneywise.com/a/americans-abandon-states
https://patch.com/new-york/new-york-...es-study-shows
https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyl...rich-skip-town
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackkel...-theyre-going/
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/ne.../22/id/993374/
https://www.foxbusiness.com/real-est...onaire-florida
Just a few.....
Then there's the Uhaul site. Go look at availability and one way cost to move FROM NY versus TO NY.
#105
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Position: 3+ hour sit in the ATL
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Just an interrogative...are these Top 1% moving in, i.e. the taxpayers, or even top 15%, or are these the bottom 1% to 20% looking for a free phone? I live in Florida and I am absolutely surrounded by New Yorkers and they all have a LOT more money than me. Just sayin...
Majority are top earners and probably the top 10-15% moving out. Once the big investment houses start pulling chocks that will be the end of it.
#106
NYC is still well established as an (air) port of entry from all over the world, especially Europe. As long as people are coming to the US, they'll have to fly to a large US Customs serviced hub before they bounce to their final destination. JFK fits that bill nicely, and it's hard to imagine another airport that could handle the normal, pre-Covid international traffic (CLT? MIA? ORD? ATL?----actually, IAD would fit the bill nicely.)
Unless "Open Skies" becomes a thing again. Who knows?
But the general trend of making one's $$$ in NYC/LAX then moving to FL/Western States to retire isn't exactly new. It's been accelerating for awhile anyway for plenty of reasons (cost of living a big part of it). Covid, and the work habits it inspired, just put more fuel on the get-out-of-huge-cities fires.
Unless "Open Skies" becomes a thing again. Who knows?
But the general trend of making one's $$$ in NYC/LAX then moving to FL/Western States to retire isn't exactly new. It's been accelerating for awhile anyway for plenty of reasons (cost of living a big part of it). Covid, and the work habits it inspired, just put more fuel on the get-out-of-huge-cities fires.
#107
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Joined APC: Sep 2015
Position: 3+ hour sit in the ATL
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NYC is still well established as an (air) port of entry from all over the world, especially Europe. As long as people are coming to the US, they'll have to fly to a large US Customs serviced hub before they bounce to their final destination. JFK fits that bill nicely, and it's hard to imagine another airport that could handle the normal, pre-Covid international traffic (CLT? MIA? ORD? ATL?----actually, IAD would fit the bill nicely.)
Unless "Open Skies" becomes a thing again. Who knows?
But the general trend of making one's $$$ in NYC/LAX then moving to FL/Western States to retire isn't exactly new. It's been accelerating for awhile anyway for plenty of reasons (cost of living a big part of it). Covid, and the work habits it inspired, just put more fuel on the get-out-of-huge-cities fires.
Unless "Open Skies" becomes a thing again. Who knows?
But the general trend of making one's $$$ in NYC/LAX then moving to FL/Western States to retire isn't exactly new. It's been accelerating for awhile anyway for plenty of reasons (cost of living a big part of it). Covid, and the work habits it inspired, just put more fuel on the get-out-of-huge-cities fires.
These are not retirees moving to my state. Not the type. Late 40's types. They're moving here because they telecommute in to their offices in NYC. Once they got cut from the office space, they boogied. More to follow. I said in earlier post, another thread; big, nice campuses are being built around major metro areas here in FL. Someone, something is moving here. What it is I don't know. But based on the types of folks moving in around me from NYC, my guess is.....something big?
I won't extend the derail anymore. We'll see in a few years how NYC fairs. It won't be guesswork then.
#110
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Posts: 335
You hit a bank. It is normally a ghost town. There is no real push out of there since last May. Pretty sad still. Although looks like the shake shack down by ops is finally going to open. They were cleaning it the other day.
That was nice to see. That was a big mistake.
I think they've lost a few 100k to emigration. Manhattan is still a ghost town.
That was nice to see. That was a big mistake.
I think they've lost a few 100k to emigration. Manhattan is still a ghost town.
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