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Old 04-18-2021, 06:08 AM
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SIL’s for those 60 days would have had little or no impact on current training. Even if we extended the SIL program it would have had a very minor impact. It’s not likely SIL’s would have been a player at all after the cares act passed. Delta’s training load stems from two things. A very generous and over subscribed early out program. The take rate caught the company by surprise. The second thing was the complete elimination of the 777 and MD88/90 categories along with a restructuring of the 7ER category. We can debate how smart the attempt to restructure a massive part of the airlines fleet overnight was but regardless the restructuring and early out are driving 95% of the training load. Just the ER program probably resulted in over 9000 training events using 5 events per pilot removed from the top. I don’t see many posters busting the company over not restricting the early out program to a smaller number of pilots.
Why didn’t you take the VEOP? Sailing no longer fun?
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Old 04-18-2021, 06:28 AM
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Why didn’t you take the VEOP? Sailing no longer fun?
Discussed long ago on here. Since you seem to have a interest in my personal life I sent you a PM. What this has to do with my post you quoted I have no idea.

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Old 04-18-2021, 06:37 AM
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I doubt the nuisance sick leave was a relief for the company. The program was costly. The changes to the MLOA program were above and beyond what USERRA requires so USERRA was not a factor. The FRB was a big improvement in the entire process.
Obviously we disagree. Was the company going to direct the CPs to chase down every pilot who had the vaccines and query them about their reactions, given an FAA mandate? The MIL leave is what it is. You get 5 years essentially to finish out your guard/reserve obligation. Most do this for the retirement, which means 60 months to do 10-12 years to get there. Easily doable but you may not be able to volunteer your first 3 years to skip being junior. This just ensured Delta would get these pilots back if they had been out a long time. BTW, how many pilots did this really affect? SILs, what's a SIL?
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Obviously we dis agree. Was the company going to direct the CPs to chase down every pilot who had the vaccines and query them about their reactions given an FAA mandate?
I have no idea what this means but a covid vaccine was a dream only when the LOA was signed.
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Old 04-18-2021, 06:47 AM
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I have no idea what this means but a covid vaccine was a dream only when the LOA was signed.
Any pandemic related illness is fair use of sick time. If we hadn't created a specific Covid clause, the CPs would have fought to do away with the 100 hour look back because that would have created way too much work as we were thinning the CP office staff. The latest vaccine debacle is just further evidence of the uselessness of the 100 hour snoop.

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Old 04-18-2021, 06:52 AM
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Any pandemic related illness is fair use of sick time. If we hadn't created a specific Covid clause, the CPs would have fought to do away with the 100 hour look back because that would have created way to much work as we were thinning the CP office staff. The latest vaccine debacle is just further evidence of the uselessness of the 100 hour snoop.
Speculative at best. How can you so definitively say they would have fought to remove that clause from the contract?

It didn’t all work the way we would have liked, but there were positives from the LOA, I don’t know why you are fighting that so hard.
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Old 04-18-2021, 06:55 AM
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Speculative at best. How can you so definitively say they would have fought to remove that clause from the contract?

It didn’t all work the way we would have liked, but there were positives from the LOA, I don’t know why you are fighting that so hard.
Just trying to set the record straight from Sailing's revisionist history. Tell me the benefits again. The actual benefits, not the perceived benefits.
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Just trying to set the record straight from Sailing's revisionist history. Tell me the benefits again. The actual benefits, not the perceived benefits.
I already have. If you didn’t read it the first time, I see no point in saying it again.
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Old 04-18-2021, 07:02 AM
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I already have. If you didn’t read it the first time, I see no point in saying it again.
Ok, I'm glad you saw value in that deal. Would you do it again? How much money did you lose in April? Was that a fair trade? If you take the time to examine it and its a wash, fine. But, it was not a good deal and the bait and switch was called out as a huge language fail. That's on us. (ALPA)

BTW are you a resident of a non-family sick leave state or in the guard/reserve? Those are the only value I saw and neither applied to me. How many pilots did this really benefit is still a valid question.
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Old 04-18-2021, 07:17 AM
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I already have. If you didn’t read it the first time, I see no point in saying it again.
LOA 20-01 directly led to MOU 20-02, which was a substantial improvement in how FDP extensions are handled. The new language changed it to essentially “walk-away” if you don’t want to extend. No pay implications, no paperwork, no explanations, just a phone call to arrange rest.

Whether it was correcting “past sins” or not, it was a major improvement.
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