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Old 04-18-2021, 03:01 PM   #51  
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No idea about MGMT but my read on line wisdom at the time was that 800 would be a healthy number.
Not only was the number higher than expected but the demographics were not what they hoped.
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Old 04-18-2021, 03:22 PM   #52  
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Not only was the number higher than expected but the demographics were not what they hoped.
this I can believe. IIRC over 1,100 VEOPers were 62 or younger and even after the VEOP we still have ~400 mandatory retirements in each 2021 and 2022.

after running the MOAD and telling all of the pilots anyone over 64 MD’d would not train, it did not make sense for many in this group to bow out early.
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What kind of numbers were they expecting or projecting to leave for training and cost savings purposes?

BS said on sky hub about 600 was expected.
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One big issue was the unexpectedly high number of LCPs and especially LLCPs (whose VEOP departure crippled the Company’s ability to train LCP’s replacements). If the Company had metered departure dates for LCPs over a longer period, there would not be such a huge OE backlog even today, but there was no provision for that in the LOA and some fleets, esp the 767 saw a big rush for the door.
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One big issue was the unexpectedly high number of LCPs and especially LLCPs (whose VEOP departure crippled the Company’s ability to train LCP’s replacements). If the Company had metered departure dates for LCPs over a longer period, there would not be such a huge OE backlog even today, but there was no provision for that in the LOA and some fleets, esp the 767 saw a big rush for the door.
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I was really surprised there was not an LCA carve out in the LOA. Not to exclude them, but to meter their departure like you said. But stuff like that was par for the course in 2020.
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Just trying to set the record straight from Sailing's revisionist history. Tell me the benefits again. The actual benefits, not the perceived benefits.

I wouldn’t call it revisionist - although he does seem to see some things from more of a management point of view than most APC posters he also adds a lot of knowledge and generally improves the level of discourse.

I disagree on his take on the SILs. We agreed to an April rebid for SILs. They got the April rebid and did a complete 180 on the SILs.
Was the company IAW the language -Yes. Were they in line with the intent - absolutely not.

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If a vaccine appt is scheduled for the same day as a red-eye arrival at the end of a rotation, will that trip be dropped and pay protected?
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Not Delta's money, so why should they care. It's all on Uncle Sugar's dime. What are we up to now? 3 bail-outs?
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If a vaccine appt is scheduled for the same day as a red-eye arrival at the end of a rotation, will that trip be dropped and pay protected?
If the shot + 48 hour waiting period does not interfere with a trip and does not require the use of sick or NFLY then you will be paid the extra. There is no need to drop the trip if you are getting the shot after your duty is over.
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If the shot + 48 hour waiting period does not interfere with a trip and does not require the use of sick or NFLY then you will be paid the extra. There is no need to drop the trip if you are getting the shot after your duty is over.

Don't think this is correct. They automatically put NFLY on your schedule for the day of the shot and the next 2 days, regardless of when your shot is that day. ....At least that is what they did for me, albeit not a red-eye, but I don't think it matters


edit...Or...you may be absolutely correct if you get the shot on your own time after said red-eye....prolly has to do with when you notify them
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